Advisory Design Panel- 18 Jan 2024


1: Welcome to the Squamish Nation Traditional Territory
2: APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR
2: Staff Recommendation:
3: ADOPTION OF AGENDA
3: Staff Recommendation:
4: COMMITTEE MINUTES
4.A: MINUTES
4.A.i: Advisory Design Panel Minutes: December 21, 2023
5: BUSINESS
5.i: Advisory Design Panel Member Training Session
5.ii: Development Permit DP000614 - Centennial Way Phase 3
6: ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
7: TERMINATION
1: Welcome to the Squamish Nation Traditional Territory
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SPEAKER_10
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Che we have Quorum before you start can you check that we have Quorum before you

SPEAKER_04
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start let's see

SPEAKER_07
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here

SPEAKER_04
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no we currently are nowhere near there's a lot of people on the call but not a lot of panel

SPEAKER_10
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members I think we're good now we've got five including an

SPEAKER_04
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architect great that's excellent so is there someone at District right

SPEAKER_07
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now yes

SPEAKER_04
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ah okay great well let's get ourselves started there welcome everyone

APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR
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SPEAKER_04
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I believe our first item on the agenda for today's meeting is actually to elect a new chair and vice chair for the

SPEAKER_01
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panel that's correct we we've got to do that first

SPEAKER_04
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right so we are calling for nominations first of all so if anyone wants to nominate someone or volunteer

SPEAKER_02
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themselves I'll volunteer myself

SPEAKER_04
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great and do we have anyone who's interested in being the vice chair you have a sidekick a backup a

SPEAKER_05
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spare I would be happy to serve as Vice chair however I believe my term I believe the Udi seat term is up September 2024 so I'm not sure if that poses any issues that I would only be able to serve as Vice chair for nine

SPEAKER_04
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months all right well I mean I you know I don't mind demoting myself to the role of Vice chair assuming that that's allowable and you know being backed up that's

SPEAKER_05
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probably better if that's allowable

SPEAKER_04
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that's great so since we only have the U the one nomination for each position I think we can we can have a vote on this and finalize

SPEAKER_10
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that we just need it to be formally moved and seconded before that

SPEAKER_04
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great so I will we can move that even though we're the ones being nominated right so I'll first

SPEAKER_07
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a

SPEAKER_04
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second thank you for seconding great all four I that's great that's unanimous thank you so my job for today is done

SPEAKER_02
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then

ADOPTION OF AGENDA
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SPEAKER_02
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okay so the next item would be the adoption of agenda of the previous meeting staff recommendation that the January 18th 2024 advisory design panel agenda be adopted can I get aan okay I've got Charles and it's hard to see the panel members from the office cat that's it yeah cat thanks

MINUTES
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SPEAKER_02
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the items of the minutes are the advisory design panel minutes December 2021 staff recommendation that the advisory design panel minutes dated December 202 December 20 2023 be adopted and then I've got Charles again for that one and Lucas thank you

Advisory Design Panel Member Training Session
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The council was presented with an overview of the Advisory Design Panel (ADP) roles and responsibilities by Speaker_01, who was joined by Matt Gun, a senior planner. The presentation highlighted the three main responsibilities of the ADP: advising on development proposals during application review, advising on District policies in development, and occasionally advising on municipal projects with significant placemaking or active transportation components. The speaker emphasized that the ADP has no approval authority and its role is strictly advisory. The presentation also covered the form and character guidelines in the official community plan, the interpretation of these guidelines, and the challenges of having too many guidelines. Speaker_01 also mentioned an upcoming official community plan update, but was unsure if it would include a review of Development Permit Area guidelines.

The council members engaged in a discussion about an upcoming project, an accessory dwelling unit (ADU) design competition. Speaker_09 asked the ADP if they would be interested in acting as the jury for the competition and whether they should stick with existing regulations or allow entrants to propose changes to the regulations. The council members expressed interest in acting as judges and suggested having two categories in the competition: one for entries that comply with current regulations and another for entries that propose changes. They also suggested that entrants provide a rationale for any proposed changes to the regulations. The council members agreed to act as the jury for the competition and there were no questions about the roles and responsibilities of the ADP.

SPEAKER_02
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so the first item of business is the advisory design panel member trading session which is held by yonas over to

SPEAKER_01
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you thank you I'm just getting the presentation up can everybody see the slides y thank you okay so actually joining me today as well is Matt gun he's one of our senior planners to talk about some of the projects that the district is planning on this year that we would like to get adp's input on and before we do that I committed to doing a brief roles and responsibilities session we do have a few new members and we try to do this every year I think it's been a few years since the last time we did it essentially just go over the roles and responsibilities of the panel Follow by discussion if there is any questions so from District's perspective there are three main responsibilities for the ADP it is number one to advise on development proposals during application review and that mostly involves development permits but we do from time to time bring resoning applications as well when it's a larger development with bigger pieces of land where buildings you know you have multiple buildings on one site and there's opportunities to influence the side design the second role is advise on District policies in development so the Matt's discussion following my presentation will be a good example of that essentially we you know if it's if it's policy development related to form and character we bring it forp for advice and lastly it doesn't happen very often but we do we have the ability to bring Municipal projects when there are placemaking or large active Transportation associated with the project we have the ability to bring those projects for ADP advice as well one thing to notice the advisory design panel has no approval Authority so it is strictly to advise staff and Council on the design proposals in terms of ADP role it is a lot to do with development permit area guidelines for forming character so we have a number of form and character development permit area guidelines in our official community plan I definitely encourage members to review them and if you need direction to which specific guidelines to look at please reach out we're happy to support you but essentially the form and character guidelines relate to exterior materials textures and colors so not internal to the building landscape design signage and lighting sight layout and accessibility greenhouse gas reductions through exterior design and often we will we have discussions with the panel about inter interpretation of guidelines because they are guidelines and it's really difficult to craft guidelines that can be specific to all projects so there is quite a bit of interpretation that goes on whether a project meets a certain guideline or not and whether that guideline is should be applicable to a project and then as I mentioned larg res zoning applications also are brought forward for EDP the background on our development permit are areas and I'm glad Matt is here with us today because he was quite involved in the last official community plan review which was in 2017 which is when we ended up with this set of particular guidelines so that was now a few years ago we are gearing up for an official community plan update but I'm not sure whether that's going to include review of Development perent Area guidelines in terms of I know we have to review them just not sure of the timing of that project the what how we ended up with these the set of guidelines we have today was an extensive process so it was obviously lots of input from the planning department and the planning team there were multiple advisory design panel sessions on these guidelines we had Community input and then eoptics we have to also meet objectives identified in the Local Government Act which is where the power for local governments comes from to be able to regulate certain aspects of development and finally we had the new ocp adopted and the new guidelines are in place now the guidelines we ended up with are quite comprehensive they're not very general and that was a bit of a byproduct of the problem with the previous set of guidelines they were viewed as being too General and we needed something more comprehensive so as a result we ended up with a lot of guidelines which makes the review process trickier for planners it also means that there's quite often we run into situations where guidelines don't apply I think that the current thinking is that we have too many guidelines and that in the next review process we'll want to reduce those guidelines in terms of implementations so the guidelines are essentially a set of policies that guide very specific development application review and the implementation can seem messy staff work with the applicants extensively on reviewing the applications using some judgment but also heavily relying on the applicants professionals to for certain aspects such as the code interpretation and AR architectural articulation or relying on the on the applicants to understand what the economic limitations of the project are sometimes not applying a guideline is as simple as the project is too small for practical application or cannot financially afford to implement certain guidelines there's no formula that can be simply applied as it is the case with zoning Balo regulations lots of areas for contradiction between guidelines zoning requirements FL flood proofing requirements and Squamish building code step code and other policies and regulations and of course the world doesn't stop there are new issues popping up constantly that we need to be adapting while we're testing these set of guidelines and we're essentially in this ongoing testing period particularly in the downtown area where we need employment space public open space projecting important views housing is a is an issue that was an issue in 2017 and is now the issue so we're always mindful of that and then lastly high quality design and green energy an effective way of navigating the DP Review process requires reflecting on the objective of the development permit area so every Development perit Area has an objective stated and sometimes a number of objectives is it meeting the objective overall we need to apply flexibility so applying common sense in what guidelines are not applicable and adaptability juggling other competing factors in design so good practice for applying the DP guidelines to be objective flexible and adaptable as I said we have a lot of guidelines when it comes to forming character and sometimes you know we we've used this chart with Council in order to provide some guidance on where we need to where we need to exercise a lot of flexibility versus where the guidelines can be interpreted pretty literally I won't go for over all of them but again I'm happy to provide this slide deck to panel members if you're interested and that's it I will perhaps turn it over to Matt now and then we can we can have a bit of

SPEAKER_09
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discussion okay thank you so the element that I was going to talk about is related to what yonas highlighted that sometimes we come to ADP for some input Insight this discussion is about an upcoming project we're initiating called we're going to have an accessory dwelling unit design competition in the first half of this year our intent is to try and develop a set of plans that would be publicly available so that people can off the shelf grab and go to create adus we're trying to simplify the process for homeowners to pursue adus and so what we'd like to do is encourage with prize money some applications that propose adus that could be applicable for a variety of parcels across the community and there are two things right now that I wanted to ask The Advisory design panel about one we're going to get a bunch of submissions and we'll need to select some winners and so question is whether the ADP is interested in acting as the jury for that selection process to identify the winning submissions and then the other one we're just right at the outset of this process we're just starting to set it up and scope how the contest will work but we do have one question that's come up and we wanted to ask for some input from ADP on that and that is there are a couple ways we could approach this one is that we provide our existing regulatory structure that you allocates the location and size height of adus and say hey people who are interested in submitting can you please design something that fits within this model and we'll judge it the other approach that we could use which we're contemplating is to suggest to people or to entrance to look at our existing regulatory structure but also to contemplate where there may be opportunities to improve it whether it's changes to setbacks changes to Heights changes to size you know certainly we do want to encourage a range of adus and you know if there are things we could do like increased size to achieve maybe more two or three-bedroom adus that's something that's we consider and so the question to ADP on that front is do you does this group think that it would be good to provide that flexibility to entrance to say hey look at our regulatory structure but consider where you might change the regulations to make a better Adu or do you think we should just stick with our existing regulations so two questions are you guys interested in being judges and should we be flexible or constrained in our approach to the contest what do you guys have to say

SPEAKER_04
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very much interested very much interested fast fting topic and a great opportunity and I would say you should have both categories you should have people who are submitting stuff that is outright approvable under current regime but also people submitting sky is blue proposals and have a prize for

SPEAKER_09
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both thank

SPEAKER_02
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you yeah I would agree with Charles on that they depending on how much prize money you have to give way I think what would be maybe a good approach as well is to allow people that flexibility to push regulations that they feel are a bit more rigid but within that entry maybe provide a rationale as to why this like revising this particular item makes this project better because that would allow people to actually use design to better and push the limits of the bylaws great yeah

SPEAKER_09
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okay sounds good

SPEAKER_11
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I do like the idea of the rationale as well because it does expose sort of the places where things might be a little bit rigid might be close might need a little bit of flexibility but isn't just so blue sky that there's no reason behind it it's really nice to know sort of what people are seeing as the challenges and proposing ways to face them it's a good idea

SPEAKER_09
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sounds good

SPEAKER_02
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I would also be mindful on a reality perspective that setting certain precedents for things like sorry trying to articulate this like the certain outcomes that you might have such as people proposing items with zero setbacks obviously that's got building code implications but there's certain precedents what might happen there like height changes and things like that ultimately setbacks and height is what people will push immediately so I would just be mindful of maybe how to kind of script that in

SPEAKER_09
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stand yeah totally like if we get a bunch of applications I mean submissions that we think are totally untenable to the neighborhood might not be a super useful project and maybe that's where having a category as was suggested by Charles having a category that's within existing regs and then outside maybe that ensures that we get something or the rationale perhaps that'll help people scoop it we and maybe in offering those two categories we can really highlight that there are trade-offs in things are too far outside of you know our current RS that may be hard to get approval for or support for but okay good thoughts any other comments or

SPEAKER_11
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ideas just out of curiosity I'm just wondering if the intent is to propose the competition in such a manner that it conforms with aibc regulations around competitions wondering if the intent is to cast a broad net to the profession and or and to individuals or is there a specific Target group or audience that you're looking for to participate in the

SPEAKER_09
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competition that's a that's a good question it's not we haven't gotten to the point of drilling into that aspect I have from a bit of a review of some other contests that have occurred which there are lots of these kind of contests around North America I have seen categories where there's a you know professional category and then an amateur category and that's something that we could possibly do with different prize allocations but yeah haven't gotten to that point one thing else I would add the intent is to do this in the first half of 2024 in the second half we'd like to do a similar contest for Triplex and fourplexes so haven't not really thinking about that one yet but just putting it out there and we'd be interested in having ADP involved in that one as well

SPEAKER_04
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yeah I believe aibc regulations allow for this kind of thing because it's an quote unquote ideas competition it's not a competition for an actual commission to build something you know but I believe that the aibc would be interested in you know in simply participating in promoting the event and or as well I can help you get in contact with the people at an organization called the urban Arium which have been mainly Vancouver focused but I think Squamish is a is a is a growing community and it' be interesting to tackle you know the developing and changing Urban fabric of Squamish as a topic for them you know

SPEAKER_09
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thanks for that comment

SPEAKER_11
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i' I'd support that as well I think Urban Arium is hosting some really fantastic events in Vancouver and I'm sure they'd be interested in maybe looking at heading up the highway for something as well too getting involved if anyone was interested great resource

SPEAKER_09
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great feedback any last pieces there

SPEAKER_01
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or maybe if there's any questions about the ADP role responsibilities we could tackle that now as well and then I'm assuming that ADP is okay in terms of being the judge the Judgment committee on the

SPEAKER_02
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competitions I think that sounded by the only person that spoke to is Charles and myself with second that does anyone have any concerns that's on the panel it's present right now just lots of shaking

SPEAKER_01
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heads all right thank you is there any questions about the roles responsibilities that sounds good to me thank you very much I'll turn it over to the

SPEAKER_02
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chair thank you un thank you Matt okay so the next

Development Permit DP000614 - Centennial Way Phase 3
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Jesse presented a development permit application for a residential development located at 1940 Centennial Way. The proposed development, known as DP 614, is in the third phase of a comprehensive development rezoning process. The project, which is located on a site that was formerly a campground and is currently vacant, includes 19 buildings containing 75 townhouses that are three stories in height. The development meets land use regulations and zoning requirements, and no variances are proposed. The staff are generally supportive of the design and are seeking comments and recommendations regarding the forming character of the proposed development. Brent Carlon from Anthem, the applicant, further explained that the project, now called Mountain Village, has undergone an extensive rezoning process and this is the final phase.

The council members asked questions about the project, particularly about the entrances and the affordable housing component. The staff clarified that one of the guidelines for the development permit area is to create visually distinct entrances for individual units, and they were seeking feedback from the council on this aspect. Mark from Acoustics Architecture explained that during the rezoning process, it was agreed that one townhome in this phase would be affordable. Other questions from the council members included the proximity to the mamquam and any design connection to it, the selection of the planting material, and the potential for public art in this phase. The council members did not make any decisions at this stage, but their questions and comments will likely inform further discussions and decisions about the project.

SPEAKER_02
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item of business will be development permit DP 614 Centennial Way phase three and I'll turn it over to Jesse over

SPEAKER_00
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here great thank you I will give a quick introduction and then I'll pass it over to the applicant to provide a presentation so I just want to introduce d614 it's a development permit application for residential development located at 1940 Centennial Way the proposed development is located in DP Area 3 Universal guidelines for forming character the project has undergone a comprehensive development resoning process the zone is cd90 and sets the general parameters for the development including sighting size density and massing so this project has not previously been presented to The Advisory design panel again this site is located east of loggers Lane and was formerly a campground and is currently vacant this DP application is the third of three phases the phase 3 site is approximately 4.9 acres in size and the proposal includes 19 buildings containing 75 town houses that are three stories in height The Proposal meets land use regulations and Zoning requirements as per bylaw and no variances are proposed staff are generally supportive of the design and are seeking ADP comments and recommendations regarding forming character of the proposed development specifically including site plan accessibility and circulation parking layout development density fits to site open space provision architectural design which includes building form and typology facade articulation Street orientation and entries building materials and exterior finish which includes color texture and detail and the landcape plan and with that I will turn it over to the

SPEAKER_06
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applicant great thanks Jesse so maybe I'll start first Brent Carlon at Anthem so thanks for the time today and going in front of ADP as Jesse sort of referenced this is part of a greater project it's already gone through a an extensive resoning process and DP applications for the first two phases of which we went through ADP panel on each of those as well so this is the third and final phase of that of the project that we're now calling for those who know or don't know called Mountain but with the acronym MTN Mountain Village and the U this component phase three is the acur town homes the 75 that was referenced it's going to be called we call it the row at Mountain Village and we have you know with the Architects and I'm at atistics and I'm not sure Charles if you're still on the ADP for this or you stay

SPEAKER_07
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temporarily recused

SPEAKER_06
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pardon

SPEAKER_04
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me just temporarily recused I don't I don't get to vote on this one

SPEAKER_06
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okay got it and so we think that you know the for it obviously we're very proud of think htics have done a great job it's what we're trying to do obviously not only do a project that we've been long at here but provide some you know more housing which is you know people like to argue about these things but it's needed and the longer things take and get delayed the more shortage there is of Supply higher pricing gets all that good stuff so we've tried to put together a really nice package that is thoughtful for the end user of course that's providing really good homes once they're in them to be a able to live and you know enjoy life and in a walkable new community here beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and we think this is beautiful so we hope that your comments will be well received and thoughtful on what we're

SPEAKER_00
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you only have 20 minutes to present if you want to pass it over I'm just getting

SPEAKER_06
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started you know what I'm like I do this so anyhow with that I'm going to turn it over to the experts you want to hear from turn over to Acoustics I think Mark blackwood's going to take over then we have Stephen from dur crook Landscape Architects as well to answer any questions and walk you through the landscape component so with that no more for me until later

SPEAKER_08
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thanks I'll share my screen here okay there we go okay so everyone got my screen at that

SPEAKER_03
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end we can see it

SPEAKER_08
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yeah okay great so thanks very much as Brent mentioned I'm Mark Blackwood from acustics architecture one of the one of the principles here and today we're presenting Mountain Village phase three of the Mountain Village neighborhood just for context as Brent mentioned this exists in kind of a multiphase development the subject site highlighted in Orange here denoted as phase three directly to the north of us we had phase one of the development which is a mixed use developments with a combination of rental a five-story rental apartment building four story office building and some light industrial use as long as well as a daycare phase two which is just north of Centennial way again is a mixed use development with a mixed use apartment building with crus at grade and some also some Town Homes on the on the Parkade slab zooming in a little bit more here to the development itself you can see some of the proposed building Footprints for phases one and two and kind of again our phase three development highlighted there and you know the breakdown is kind of noted here in terms of phase one rental apartment buildings daycare office light industrial phase two has a market condo Town Homes retail office and a pavilion Cru and then in phase three we have the market Town Homes with an affordable town home component as well and as Brent mentioned this overall development is really meant to sort of create a holistic Community where one can live work and play relatively close to their home and as a collective I think will be a nice addition to the you know this Brennan Park kind of area of the of the community immediately to the to the west of us we have the District of Squamish Public Works Yard maybe I'll just go back one to the south of us is the Seven Peaks development and to the north we have Centennial Way and the mamquam river and to the east we have some environmentally sensitive areas which we're addressing on our site as well so just some quick site photos as mentioned used to be a campground and mini golf a lot of that's been kind of removed to date and kind of a waiting a waiting development so just the overall site plan 4.5 Acres approximately a site area 73 Town Homes which is a combination of kind of row homes and duplexes on based on sort of the net area of the site we've got we've got about 65 acres of common outdoor space in addition to the protection of some environmentally sensitive areas along our East property line kind of wrapping down into that kind of South call it Southeast Corner which also in involve some tree protection areas as well on the site of a mix of housing you know townhouse housing types two three and four bedrooms and also the incorporation of three lockoff Suites kind of on the two ends of this building and the end of this building to the South overall the site is structured with a looping vehicular internal strata Road which is kind of notated by meow Brook Place here and then every Green Lane is again a strat Lane that separates phase one to the north and this phase three development to the South so the idea was to create a kind of a convenient looping system through the site with access to Centennial Way at the northwest corner and also access to and Centennial Way at the at the northeast corner as well the green lines kind of indicate the pedestrian routes through the site and as Brent mentioned you know the idea was to create a very pedestrian friendly development that Al that provides a lot of connectivity through the site itself but also connections to the adjacent U the adjacent phases so those are those connections in more of the dotted green lines and also across the street to phase 2 crossing over Centennial way with a new pedestrian crosswalk gaining kind of convenient access to that side where again there would be residential and kind of retail going in on that on that other side of the street and you know more or less the development is sort of centered around this generous Green Space which serves as really the kind of the outdoor door heart of the community and stepen from DK will kind of expand a little bit more on that when we're looking at the landscape plans the other main connection is to logger's Lane there'll be a connection that runs directly west connecting up with logger's Lane so that'll be a convenient connection it's a bit of a shortcut to kind of exit the site to the west and then on the western boundary of the site there's a green buffer and pedestrian connection along that edge which we'll kind of see a bit clearly on a subsequent slide here so as mentioned generous outdoor space provided on the site a combination of the you know the environmentally sensitive area here to the east the central Green Space and a environmental or a green buffer rather on the on the western property line which allows us to kind of house that kind of pedestrian connection along that edge and also sort of an entry an entry Green Space as well and that kind of does a good job of kind of setting us back from that District Works Yard to our West I guess and then providing kind of further setback there's an additional setback from that green buffer as well so there's sort of a generous swath of land there just looking at some sections generally the site's you know relatively flat there is some buildup of the site to get our finished floors at the flood Construction level but generally speaking you can see the form of development here which is stacked or three-story Town Homes with some stacked over a lockoff suite and then looking in more of the north south Direction you know the section here shows the phase one to the left hand side here and then the first row of town homes and this kind of section gives you a bit of a sense of scale of that green space in the U in the center of the site and then again the three-story Town Homes the strata Road and then another row of town homes along the along the property line because this is part of a larger a larger Community the mountain village community that's being developed here the architectural character attempts to sort of tie into some of the materiality and language that's being created on other phases but also kind of trying to because it's more of a townhouse development trying to sort of blend that little a little bit of that industrial flavor with more kind of the residential you know residential materials so combination of corrugated metal and laped Hearty siding are the are the predominant exterior cladding materials you know sort of peaked roofs interrupted by you know kind of brakes in the roof create a real sense of individual unit and a sense of ownership and fr entry and kind of a nice clean kind of punched openings and details kind of give the overall character of the development a more a more contemporary feel and looking at the use of color to sort of break up the overall the overall elevations on the elevations themselves but also between buildings so this initial perspective is looking South looking from phase one of the development and kind of your eyes kind of drawn into the central Green Space within the development and kind of gives you sort of a character of the scale and the roof forms and the variation of color proposed in the development this diagram here just illustrates the main kind of color blocking used on the site on in terms of how we strategize to distribute buildings featuring different colors to create a nice sense of variation as you kind of move through the site and also sort of create that you know helps with sort of wayfinding through the site as well just some sample elevations of how the various color pallets are applied to the buildings and so this one here really highlights that kind of color pallet one and one and two which really highlight this kind of Oak Brown corrugated metal and more of a blue corrugated metal and then the other one is more of a tone onone color palette featuring either kind of a dark a darker gray bump out with a lighter background or also sort of more dominance on kind of the lighter colors as well with you know featuring sort of the horizontal fiber cement siding so just some sample elevations of some of the building types again kind of using contrasting colors and materials putting emphasis on the front entries with nice overhangs over front doors and sort of these vertical screens that come down beside the doorways you know creating that sense of entry and kind of welcoming you know front stoop for everyone kind of coming home to their units and then the lower image here is a view from the back which kind of showcases the outdoor space both at the ground level and the and the upper level decks with their entry C their canopies over the rear doors as well so again just looking at sort of slightly different unit types and kind of the color variations that are used just roll through some of these views so just quickly on the unit types it's a variation of two to four bedrooms kind of ranging from 1100 to just over 2,000 square feet for the units that have the lockoff Suites so these unit A's are sort of some of the you know the smaller two-bedroom units side by side parking unit BS are in a tandem Arrangement again a two-bedroom Suite just over 12200 Square ft and then the unit C's are side by side parking again three-bedroom units just over, 1300 square feet F plan again a three-bedroom unit and then the F plan which has the lockoff suite at grade which is a kind of a single bedroom with its independent kitchen living and bathroom and then the suite above has its kitchen living and on the main level and then three bedrooms on the on the upper level of the unit so there's three of these on the site and with that I'll hand it over to you

SPEAKER_03
0:52:54 (0:08:10)

Stephen thank you very much Mark by my calculations it looks like I have about five minutes left so we think it's enough time to get through the landscape portion so as was mentioned this is the third phase of three so the intention really here is to obviously take some of that continuity of the other phases and bring it through to phase three so that would be materials pallet planting pallet and some of the furn Furnishings that we are intending to have on the site of course the difference here is that it's a lot less dense and it's a different building form so there's a lot more opportunity here for planting which you can see a lot more green and lots of trees and shrub planting the darker the darker green represents a shrub planting and the lighter green is more The Lawn areas so just to start with I'll maybe talk a little bit about a finer grain for the circulation Mark did a really nice job of kind of the overall high level circulation plan so the primary I'll call it the primary cir circulation plan really is about involves concrete sidewalks which is essentially around all the street fronts yeah Mark can kind of just follow along there with this with this pointer and then I want to call it a secondary system which would be connecting the amenity areas and the pathway systems a part of that includes concrete unit papers which are completely flesh understanding the need for accessibility for all these this area is very gentle in slopes compared to the other two phases so there's no slopes that are greater than 5 percent in fact much less than that so no hand reils are required the one of the things that we're trying to do in this case is to kind of bring that softness of kind of that idea of walking through the forest is that bringing in a compacted gravel surface and we had proposed that in other phases as well and I think there was some concern about access ability which is completely understandable we want this to be accessible for all so what we're proposing here is that we would include the compacted gravel surface but include like a stabilizing element which is almost like creating it turning it into it's not concrete it still has that nice soft look and permeability but it allows for that softness in the in the in the area so that it feels more parklike the other really important thing about that material is that with the amount of planting we have in the tree roots potentially it's really amable to kind of working with the plants and the trees and we were thinking that you know concrete or even ashfold or cavers for example start to adjust over time and actually start to create potential trip ha whereas the surface is really flexible and it kind of kind of melds almost with kind of the maturity of the landscape so to speak so look forward to comments later about that and I'll leave it there certainly happy to have a further discussion on that maybe Mark if we can well just talking about the furniture in general we're try to again bring in some softness so lot of cedar wood elements benches that promote social socializing so sort of organizing benches that are if you look on the upper left there benches that kind of allow for communities to gather and talk and socialize the play area is really designed for family fun you can see there's a play area for kids the attention with all of these are that they're complimentary to the other phases so for example the play equipment here will be different from the play equipment that we've specified for the other two phases so that there's a real opportunity for variety for everybody to come here and enjoy this area also has a little covered picnic area similar to the other spaces slightly different again different variety an informal open lawn area for you know frisbee kickball all that kind of stuff a yoga deck and or we have great advant manage here for storm water management and that it's all on grade so it's a great starting point but we also recognize that there may be an opportunity to collect the water instead of draining it into pipes we were proposing to have a very a smallish rain Garden in the for in that little small triangle that were Mark's pointing to okay let's talk about seped so I think this area really lends itself well to passive surveillance lots of eyes on the street one of the things I think that was missing from your C package unfortunately was a lighting plan which we've since included and so much of the lighting will be off the buildings however in the areas where there the amenity spaces Pathways anywhere that we can't really properly achieve lighting from the buildings we would incorporate balled lights understanding that it's very important for the dark sky sort of initiative keeping the light glare down so all the fixtures all the baller fixtures would kind of shine down towards the ground we're spacing the lights approximately 8 to 10 meters we're try not to overdo it too much but we still recognize the fact that we need to have a proper know dispersement of light so there that gives a good example in the park in the Park area where the lights are exactly so the little yellow dots so we look forward to comment on that the tree back in the resoning process we agreed to and Mark pointed this out before there's a stand of trees on the Southeast Corner that we are going to retain there will be a Environmental Protection fence along that whole spia Edge which has its own specification and I believe that's that will be dealt with by the environmental Consultants but we really are keen on keeping as many of the existing trees as possible we've identified three trees in onsite that we feel we have potential to keep if you want to zoom out a little bit Mark sort of sort of they're more Central anyway we've kind of cross referenced that with the arborus report and with the grades keeping it kind of obviously the root systems away from any structures so there's one on the top right there sort of tree number 56 and there's a couple other ones that are in similar circumstances where we really want to try and work to retain those trees if possible of course we've got to develop the details a little bit more so Our intention is to try and move forward with that having said all that as a greater tree condition we went through a tree replacement process with the whole site phase one two and three and we are meeting the requirements for that we're actually proposing what 200 where's the number here 280 new trees just on the site alone so we're pretty excited about that I just want to pick up on some of the other important comments I think on our drawing we did show we had a conflict with the quantity of soil volume for the trees just to kind of pick up on that so we are intending to have 10 cubic meters per tree of soil volume and we will be using structural soil in areas where we cannot achieve that and I think the biggest condition there is in the in the street front between the concrete sidewalk and the road where we have a Challen it's kind of a challenging area I feel all the other areas are we can easily accomodate the 10 cubic meters for tree let's see here we will be having an higher high efficiency irrigation system just looking at the points to make sure I don't miss anything that I talk about yeah I think I'll leave it at that I think I'm pretty much at my time limit and I hope that there's any questions that feel free to ask and I look forward to explaining thank

SPEAKER_02
1:01:04 (0:00:22)

you okay thank you thank you to Mark and Stephen for your presentation I will turn it over to my panel members for the first round of comments I start with I'll go in my screen order so I'll start with Beth oh just questions sorry questions Ms yeah apologies I'm in yeah main questions

SPEAKER_11
1:01:27 (0:00:33)

main questions I don't have any really glaring questions except just a curiosity and I may have missed this from the previous phases questioning about the previous phases is about proximity to the mamquam and any kind of design connection contextual cont connection landscape connection to the mamquam whe there's any design consideration

SPEAKER_08
1:02:01 (0:00:01)

landscape perspective

SPEAKER_11
1:02:02 (0:00:10)

is actually I would start with architectural out of curiosity and I would like to know about Landscaping as well yeah like the selection of the of the planting material

SPEAKER_08
1:02:13 (0:01:18)

right yeah I think in general you know the town homes are kind of one removed I guess from the from the mamquam the you know the architectural character is kind of tying into this kind of you know quasi industrial residential kind of mixed use Community you know in Phase One there's the light industrial building that's really meant to be this you know kind of more artisanal kind of industrial space so I think there's an opportunity there for some sort of interesting tenants and the you know the architectural character that came out of that and sort of the proximity to The Works Yard was a little bit more around this kind of you know slightly more industrial flavor you know I think the naturalized kind of landscape that kind of weaves in between and you know I think some of the you know the moves of kind of rainwater collection and things like that kind of have that opportunity to sort of mimic a little bit more of that kind of natural landscape but I would say primarily the architecture speaks to more of this kind of community you know you know Community vibe that's kind of trying to be created in this

SPEAKER_03
1:03:31 (0:01:13)

neighborhood yeah from a landscape perspective I feel yeah the with the other phases sort of a bit maybe bit more a stronger connection with I think phase two anyway I think as Mark said one of the one of the I guess the strongest ways that we wanted to try and this goes right back to the initial kind of vision of the of the whole project was really to try and Inc incorporate those soft materials the materials that you kind of see on some of the trail systems and some of the areas around with respect to Furniture so that was kind of woven into the landscape here and in terms of plants there was a question about that I didn't get into too much detail really a focus on trying to use as many native plants as possible and also adhering to the you know the bear friendly guidelines so you know trying to make sure that we have a good representation of the native plants so and I think I don't know what percentage would be primarily native plants I think so those are the same types of plants that you would see if you were walking through the forest and around Squamish hope that answers your question does that

SPEAKER_11
1:04:45 (0:00:01)

it does yeah thank you

SPEAKER_08
1:04:47 (0:00:41)

all that as well there's there was a fair bit of study around just sort of color and materials and there was actually some color studies you know and conversations with the district about kind of the nature of the you know the Rock and the kind of the variation of colors that are kind of in the you know in the in the riverbed essentially and some of the more you know the earthy red or kind of brown corrugated metal and kind of the gray tones were very much sort of tied into that kind of Riv the variation of color in the riverbed sorry the process was a was a while ago so some of these things are

SPEAKER_11
1:05:28 (0:00:15)

forgotten yeah I appreciate that I don't I don't have the context of the previous phases so thanks for thanks for accommodating me that's it for me

SPEAKER_02
1:05:43 (0:00:07)

oh thanks be thank you okay I'll pass it across to Lucas now thank

SPEAKER_05
1:05:51 (0:00:44)

you thanks Luke yeah thanks so much Mark Stephen Brent for the presentation appreciate it just a couple really quick question excuse me the first one is actually for staff in the staff report one of the items that I believe you're looking for ADP input on is the entrances and I guess entrance variation dewind expanding a little bit more on kind of specifically what you're looking for what about this project I guess doesn't meet the

SPEAKER_00
1:06:36 (0:00:37)

guideline yeah thank you so one of the guidelines for the DP area speaks to emphasizing creating visual distinct entrances for individual units just emphasizing that in a block you'd want each unit entrance to be unique or different or distinct and I was just looking for comments from ADP if they have any feedback or recommendations for unit entrances as shown in the drawings they're quite repetitive so I just thought I would put it out to ADP for

SPEAKER_05
1:07:13 (0:00:21)

comment okay great yeah thanks so much appreciate the clarification second question is just around the affordable component Mark I think in at the start of your presentation you said this is a mix of market and affordable so are some of these homes going to be affordable or affordable rental and if so which

SPEAKER_08
1:07:34 (0:00:38)

ones yeah so there was during the rezoning process there were kind of negotiations around how that would play out phase one has a complete rental apartment building and then it was desired to sort of at least have sort of a town home in the in this phase to be affordable so there is only one on the site but that was all that was all resolved during the during the rezoning process and was the S was the basis of the design kind of moving forward into

SPEAKER_05
1:08:13 (0:00:06)

DB hey Mark I'm sorry you cut out on me or maybe I cut out mid sentence

SPEAKER_08
1:08:20 (0:00:29)

okay yeah I think you may have froze up there a bit I was just saying in Phase One there's a full the fivestory apartment building is all rental and then in the in the townhouse during the resoning phase for this overall development there was one there was a requirement for one town home in this phase to be to be affordable so it's just a one town home on the

SPEAKER_05
1:08:50 (0:00:32)

site got it okay perfect and then last question really quick the I can't I can't recall the atg grade condition of apartment building one in Phase One just trying to better understand the interface between town home buildings 13 and 14 in phase three and then I believe the garden level homes at grade in apartment building one phase

SPEAKER_08
1:09:22 (0:00:30)

one yeah so across the road it's a it's the fivestory apartment building so you have the front entry kind of essentially mid block of the building so that's the front entrance to that apartment building at the lower level and then the lowest floor of that apartment building Are all apartment units with their patios kind of fronting onto the strata road so it's kind of you know residential face onto residential face entally

SPEAKER_05
1:09:52 (0:00:07)

yeah y perfect okay thanks appreciate

SPEAKER_02
1:09:59 (0:00:08)

it hey thank you Lucas next I'll go to cat

SPEAKER_13
1:10:08 (0:00:30)

please thank you for the presentation I know that the main public art contribution is underway in phase two and I'm pleased with how that process is going I was wondering though if you considered public art in this phase at all maybe in smaller ways maybe through the light design in the amenity area or the public seating or the covered picnic table area if you could speak to

SPEAKER_08
1:10:39 (0:01:21)

that yeah I think as mentioned the public art is kind of appearing in other phases you know I think there is a you know there is a nice kind of wayfinding package that's proposed for the site as well in terms of the site entry sign and kind of a you know sort of a you know a signage package incorporating natural materials that kind of gives you know sort of you know kind of threads the development together but the majority of the yeah the you know the public art itself is on other phases and then sort of the landscape is kind of you know basically developed to sort of accommodate the you know the play and the passive you know the passive outdoor space and picnic areas and yoga deck kind of all of those amenities for the residents of the neighborhood you know the public art is kind of more Street facing I guess you could say especially at the corner of phase two very much visible from Centennial Way and you know I think as the town homes are kind of set back off of the public realm a little bit from that kind of Centennial Way streetscape yeah it's maybe not the best candidate for the for the primary public art piece I'm not sure if you want to add anything to that Brent

SPEAKER_06
1:12:00 (0:02:05)

or yeah no just there was an obligation that we worked through for resoning to do a public art contribution in peace and it was you know worked on for quite a quite a period of time with the District staff on location and then going through the process C you know with the artist selection process and doing that so there's an obligation and funds that have been set aside secure to that effort and the public art piece it's going to be a focal point for the general Community to be able to appreciate and benefit from as well as the you know residents and employees of the community itself it's just not g to be right outside someone's store specifically it's a nice Gathering Spot and presumably because it's going to be where this freestanding pad Cru space will be that probably it's going to become a really nice neighborhood Gathering area for people to enjoy the art piece there and as Mark said you know the way finding package sign package is you know has a mixture of wood and sort of metal elements very nice sophisticated looking package that's going to be Incorporated throughout the three phases so there will be some tie in and uniformity with that and you know nice soft sort of play structure apparatus which in a sense you know when you have these natural wood elements bring some I'd say some soft sort of visual and almost like artistic kind of Impressions to it as well as the on-site furnishings and such so and then tied it with the soft Landscaping I think be a nice I don't know if that answers question properly but I think it should be a nice complimentary U community and phase three will be a nice townhouse project for people that live in and enjoy the

SPEAKER_13
1:14:06 (0:00:07)

atmosphere thank you and did we get the WF finding package as well did I miss

SPEAKER_08
1:14:14 (0:00:14)

that I think it came it came a bit later I do have some images of the way finding character if the panel would be interested in seeing that I could flash that up on the

SPEAKER_06
1:14:29 (0:00:01)

screen no would that

SPEAKER_02
1:14:30 (0:00:01)

should be great

SPEAKER_13
1:14:32 (0:00:11)

you okay

SPEAKER_08
1:14:43 (0:00:48)

sure so this is this is the key plan kind of showing you know the various signage through the site but probably just for more for this purpose is the you know the character of the zoom out a bit here the character of the signage is you know sort of this board form concrete metal and wood again as Brent was mentioning is sort of a language that's sort of tying the whole Community together so just some examples of some of the way finding posts again sort of with these Timber posts and kind of metal blade signage it's kind of the general character of the signage

SPEAKER_13
1:15:32 (0:00:05)

package that concludes my questions thank

SPEAKER_02
1:15:38 (0:00:04)

you thank you Cat

SPEAKER_15
1:15:42 (0:00:33)

Julian thanks guys thanks for the presentation I thought that was great just a couple of questions one kind of Broad and one more detailed just to go back to the kind of conceptual thinking it's really more of a question for Stephen I guess you talked a little bit about how your design draws from the existing context I'm just wondering how then that's tied back to the architecture in terms of concept can you talk a bit more about

SPEAKER_03
1:16:16 (0:00:19)

that well I think generally I mean in terms of materials just the softness of I'm not sure if it directly relates to the architecture to be honest it's more drawn inspiration from around the sort of the Natural Area and so I think that what concerns

SPEAKER_15
1:16:35 (0:00:08)

me is that we've got architecture doing one thing we got landscape doing another thing and really they should be doing this that's what I'm

SPEAKER_03
1:16:44 (0:01:10)

getting yeah I mean I think through the some of the some of the elements like the fencing and the signage and things like that I think there's some continuity there in terms of the you know the planting je generally trying to be a little bit softer trying to draw on some of the more native plants not all so there'll be but yeah I understand your point I think I think the focus with the vision was probably a little bit more to do with drawing on inspiration from the from more of the natural environment but some of the play equipment some of the structures for example in the in the Park area the picnic shelter would reflect on the you know the architecture that's being proposed there so I think there are some elements that are definitely reflecting some of the architectural elements but in general I think it the vision was to try and bring that natural aspect of the river of the surrounding landscape into the into the space and I think in the other phases it's probably more connected to the architecture I think because this is lower density and there just happens to be a lot more landscape area softness to it that it probably isn't as

SPEAKER_15
1:17:54 (0:00:14)

much yeah pertinent for today where are the snow Dums

SPEAKER_07
1:18:09 (0:00:01)

you point

SPEAKER_08
1:18:10 (0:00:18)

out oh sorry so yeah I think generally in these in these types of developments it's you know it's you know we have the one end of the strata road kind of to the South which is a potential area but I think generally speaking it's you know can

SPEAKER_15
1:18:28 (0:00:03)

you point can you point on the

SPEAKER_08
1:18:32 (0:00:06)

pl yeah we got pop that up

SPEAKER_06
1:18:38 (0:00:23)

again we' probably go to some of the open area too in the winter time right like up at the top of the entrance into the green space that's in the middle of the project up in that area there's there would be opportunity that snow would have to get stock p in there as well off the main strata Road and then Mark can point to it but

SPEAKER_08
1:19:02 (0:00:41)

yeah to the site plan here yeah like I think there's Pockets at the ends of ends of these strata roads and kind of along some of the edges but you know obviously with some of these tighter town home developments and kind of the driveways and everything it's you know you're sort of relying on those kind of in between in between spaces to kind of you know deal with as much snow as possible and yeah so there's no kind of large Central snow dump area I would say it's sort of more of a you know dispersed approach throughout the site

SPEAKER_15
1:19:44 (0:00:07)

yeah okay cool I think that's it for questions thank

SPEAKER_02
1:19:51 (0:00:14)

you Sarah please s are you can you hear us

SPEAKER_14
1:20:06 (0:00:22)

yes I can hear you I just it's a different setup in my thing was over my mouse so hang on I've got a series of questions here thanks for the presentation can you tell me is at the top of the site there's a layby is this meant to be a drop off area or a parking area situ to the mailboxes

SPEAKER_08
1:20:28 (0:00:35)

in this area here yeah so this is a this is a layby sorry it's it it's parking stalls so it's parallel parking stalls and on the other side of the road are some parallel parking stalls as well this footprint here is the is the daycare in phase one so the idea is a lot of these kind of spaces get used for that sort of drop off of for the daycare both on this side and on this and this kind of also acts as some of the visitor parking for the for the residents as well

SPEAKER_14
1:21:04 (0:00:24)

okay thank you and then I noticed that there's visitor parking that obscures a number of the trails off of The Pedestrian path pathway on the west side is that I mean if that's the case what's the point of you having the pathway there can you tell me about your are

SPEAKER_08
1:21:28 (0:00:02)

you referring to this condition

SPEAKER_14
1:21:30 (0:00:28)

here no so between the buildings I can let me tell you which buildings they are so between building five and six between building one and three between building 14 and 13 there are visitor parking spaces that block the pathways that are leading directly east off of the Western pedestrian Trail that stop access to the sidewalk for people to come around to the other side of the building

SPEAKER_06
1:21:59 (0:00:07)

people just have to walk to the next open Trail if a car is there there's a lot of connection

SPEAKER_08
1:22:07 (0:00:31)

points yeah so the primary East West Connection and maybe the like the circulation diagram will kind of tell that story a little bit clearer the that main kind of east west connection is intended to be here kind of recognizing that there are kind of parking stalls you know between these two buildings and these two buildings yes there is a path but it's more of a if you know more of a convenience path if but like Brent was saying if there's no you know if there's no car

SPEAKER_00
1:22:38 (0:00:00)

there or

SPEAKER_08
1:22:39 (0:00:10)

anything like that but really the primary circulation is through here because that's the one that connects you through into the into the central Green

SPEAKER_14
1:22:49 (0:00:15)

Space okay and I noticed that there's no curb cuts that have been identified from the sidewalk but I'm assuming that there's going to be curb cuts at the end of sidewalks and at these Crossing points

SPEAKER_08
1:23:04 (0:00:06)

yeah we'll have to yeah we'll have to talk to our civil engineer all the all the curbs are rollover curbs so

SPEAKER_14
1:23:11 (0:00:02)

which are not wheelchair or no

SPEAKER_08
1:23:13 (0:00:00)

yeah exactly

SPEAKER_14
1:23:14 (0:00:01)

friendly to yeah

SPEAKER_06
1:23:16 (0:00:26)

I think sah I'll sorry to jump in but on the main connection points like that Mark showing there will be a curb at the end of the day those would be coming on our on our submission drawings for our building permit portion and that's one those will be detailed out but there'll be recognizing the accessibility factor for these they absolutely will have let Downs at the ends of those

SPEAKER_14
1:23:42 (0:00:17)

great and just to verify that any of the gravel Paving is going to be installed with a base and then securely compacted and if a binding agent is needed that's going to be added is that

SPEAKER_03
1:24:00 (0:00:12)

correct absolutely that's an important part of it and we there's there are products available that we're happy to forward if there's any sort of additional questions or anything like that if you want to review any of the products we're using happy to forward

SPEAKER_14
1:24:13 (0:00:13)

sure can you tell me are the paved patios that are beneath the upper patios for all of the buildings that run along the pedestrian Trail are those like

SPEAKER_03
1:24:26 (0:00:02)

grade yes that's

SPEAKER_14
1:24:29 (0:00:57)

right okay and then I mean I understand because you Stephen you spoke to it earlier about having this gravel surfacing that interrupts the internal sidewalk that's at the South east corner around a tree that's being retained but my understanding is that to install the gravel pathway it's about a 3in depth and to install the sidewalk is about a 4 inch depth so I'm just wondering whether or not is it just the stiffness of the cement that is the reason that you're going to that surface is it because it's more porous are you going to be able to make sure that surface if it's crushed gravel remains

SPEAKER_03
1:25:27 (0:01:10)

firm absolutely so the one benefit of the product is it's sort of just take for example like concrete but concrete can actually change in form so what happens is when it's put down it's compacted it's a lot like Mixing concrete so they put it in this you know big mixer when they add this powder almost like concrete and then they pour it and compact it and be beauty of this is that you don't have to excavate so deeply as you mentioned to get in like if we put in a concrete sidewalk or pavers even you're actually Excavating more deep than four inches you're probably going down more like six or probably six inch depending on the material that's there so it's a lot more root friendly but in the future as things move that material can actually be repacked and rechanged and what it gets so you dig it up it gets wet again then it packs down again so it's like it's almost like this really interesting sort of exactly kind of like that that's a good way to describe it so it's not as permanent as concrete but it allows for a little bit of flexibility and movement so that's why we really felt it was a great opportunity to use it on this on this

SPEAKER_14
1:26:37 (0:00:08)

condition cool can you tell me is there lighting underneath the covered area above the picnic

SPEAKER_03
1:26:45 (0:00:28)

table we may not have included but there probably should be I think prob probably it's a discussion to have like we we' we've often talked about do we want people to be using it that late at night like during the summertime when the weather's nice it's light till 10 o'clock and winter time so I think we could definitely have that discussion there are some subtle there is some subtle lighting around it that you probably could use the space so you know we definitely we definitely could have that discussion and see

SPEAKER_06
1:27:13 (0:00:21)

I think the short answer on that for now is that no it's not planed to have lighting within that sort of trellis or gazebo area because it's in the backyards of residential housing you don't want to have brightness and Congregation of people there at nighttime obviously because the residential application

SPEAKER_14
1:27:35 (0:00:13)

but gotcha yeah okay so then can you tell me also about in the entrance into the mailboxes are people supposed to walk across the lawn to enter the

SPEAKER_08
1:27:49 (0:00:31)

mailboxes no and no I'm not muted okay yeah no I was actually funny you said that I was just looking at that there's sort of a drawing eror here where this mailbox does need to be rotated 90 de because the openings the opening is currently shown right at this right at this tree location so that's something that we need to tweak at our end so it can be tied into tied into the sidewalk yeah

SPEAKER_14
1:28:20 (0:00:30)

yeah okay and have you considered there's a number of benches that are around but they don't have any space adjacent to them for either wheelchair or a stroller have you thought about including some space beside these benches at particular locations like particularly across from the play area or that's you know adjacent to the layby area if people are waiting for somebody to pick them

SPEAKER_03
1:28:51 (0:00:29)

up I mean the benches are typically they're designed to be you know obviously promot social you know connection back and forth people sitting on one side how you're naturally would sitting in the living room for example so I think in a couple locations you probably could like that in that Plaza space you could probably pull up on the end there but we're happy to look at this a little bit more and see how we can make that a little bit more you know connected and seamless so

SPEAKER_14
1:29:20 (0:00:18)

yeah certainly because otherwi I me if you're sitting in the middle of you know yes we speak across from each other but as a wheelchair user sitting in the middle of a pathway somebody comes along and they continuously bang your chair it's not a really userfriendly experience and so you want to be able to sit across and not be in the in the middle of a

SPEAKER_03
1:29:39 (0:00:00)

or

SPEAKER_14
1:29:39 (0:00:02)

something traffic

SPEAKER_07
1:29:41 (0:00:00)

okay

SPEAKER_14
1:29:42 (0:00:07)

okay that's all my questions thanks very

SPEAKER_02
1:29:50 (0:00:14)

much is there anyone else on the panel that I've not seen I love them myself okay I'll take that as it's just me left then sorry I just I can't see the screen right now oh

SPEAKER_12
1:30:04 (0:00:07)

I'm but or I'm new and it's Mo but I don't have any questions I just wanted to thank everyone for the

SPEAKER_02
1:30:12 (0:00:24)

presentation oh thanks me good to meet you I'll make sure to Circle back to you my questions then would be the waste storage plan while you have the site plan up could you walk me through the intent as to the picking up and of garbage and removal from the site

SPEAKER_08
1:30:37 (0:00:44)

please the garbage recycling building so it's an enclosed it's an enclosed building Central