Advisory Design Panel - 16 Nov 2023


1: Welcome to the Squamish Nation Traditional Territory
2: ADOPTION OF AGENDA
3: COMMITTEE MINUTES
3.A: MINUTES
3.A.i: Advisory Design Panel Minutes: October 19, 2023
4: BUSINESS
4.i: Development Permit DP000605 – 1100 - 1140 Hunter Place, Phase 1
5: ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
6: TERMINATION
1: Welcome to the Squamish Nation Traditional Territory
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SPEAKER_04
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once the meeting starts

SPEAKER_00
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yeah and I just scanned the ADP bylaw and there was no mention of any conflict of interest in that bylaw so it's probably the Dos General bylaw so I don't think we have time really to dig that up and try to send that to Lucas to peruse so maybe just to be on the safe side you should excuse yourself right

SPEAKER_01
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now if we're live at this point then I'll Rec recuse myself from this meeting with apologies for contributing to a bit of a delayed chart okay thank you yeah thanks

SPEAKER_06
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thanks very well welcome to the Squamish Nation traditional territory

ADOPTION OF AGENDA
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SPEAKER_06
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do we have motion on the adoption of the previous agenda first of all is everyone has everyone read are any changes required to the previous meetings

SPEAKER_04
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minutes wait we need to adopt the agenda before the

SPEAKER_06
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minutes okay great two seconds I think I can do that I'll second every just I for everyone in favor nay vocalize if you're opposed or you have an issue with last with the agenda great we're unanimous we can move

COMMITTEE MINUTES
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SPEAKER_06
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on so are we good on the on the minutes from the previous meeting any changes anyone requires to them to that no great can we have a motion for adopting thank you Sarah second

SPEAKER_05
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a second Charles

SPEAKER_06
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great are we all in agreement you know eyes raise your hands nay vocalize please by the way yeah everyone has cameras on so we're good all right we're unanimous on adoption of last week I mean last meeting's

SPEAKER_05
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minutes other than your camera Charles I don't see you

SPEAKER_06
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am I not oh that's a problem see I unfortunately had to I had to drop the actual software in favor of the of the just the browser version of this and doesn't work quite as well hold on here

SPEAKER_05
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all right we can

SPEAKER_01
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oh yeah there you go

SPEAKER_05
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great

SPEAKER_06
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hello everyone all right so we can move on to

Development Permit DP000605 – 1100 - 1140 Hunter Place, Phase 1
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The council meeting was centered around the development permit 605 1100 to 1140 Hunter Place phase one. The project is a three-phase mixed-use development located between Hunter Place and Pton Avenue, behind the Squamish Station Plaza. The development is situated between the CN rail line and Highway 99. The project underwent a comprehensive development rezoning process from 2018 to 2022, and the comprehensive development Zone 99 sets out the parameters for the development, including the sighting size, height, mass, and massing of the buildings. The project falls within development permit Area 3, Universal guidelines, and development permit area 6 for the Mamquam Blind Channel.

The development consists of five buildings proposed to be constructed over three phases. The buildings are interconnected via courtyards and are all located on top of a partially sunken parcade. Phase one covers the two southwest buildings, which are accessed off of Pton Avenue. Pton Avenue will be raised to match the grade of the adjacent rail line and flood construction level, setting the public courtyard areas at the same grade as the street. The applicant has to provide a range of community amenities and infrastructure improvements, including play structures, a childcare facility, active transportation connection, and affordable housing.

The development is not meeting all of the applicable guidelines, and there's a full breakdown in the staff report in attachment one. The council is seeking feedback on the commercial storefront facades and the connection of the commercial units into the public courtyard spaces. They are also seeking comment on the activation of these courtyard spaces and all things related to accessibility, including the pedestrian routes and the seating in the public spaces. The presentation was then passed on to the applicant team for their presentation.

SPEAKER_06
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business at hand development permit 605 1100 to 1140 Hunter Place phase one we have we have District staff pres presenting yeah

SPEAKER_00
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great is it okay if I briefly share my screen to run a presentation I've got just a few slides here let's see if I can get this going okay and how did I get rid of okay great can everybody see my screen or can someone let me know

SPEAKER_06
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we can

SPEAKER_00
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great okay good afternoon panel members my name's Asia philp planner with the community planning and sustainability Department I'm going to give a just a brief intro on the hunter Place project and then I'll pass it on to the applicant team so this is a DP application for phase one of a three phase mixed use develop development the project is located between Hunter place and pton Avenue behind the Squamish station Plaza it's situated between the CN rail line and Highway 99 we did a comprehensive development resoning process from 2018 to 2022 and this comprehensive development Zone 99 sets out the parameters for the development including a sighting size height Mass and massing of the buildings the project Falls within development permit Area 3 are Universal guidelines as well as development permit area 6 for the mamquam blind channel so there's a total of five buildings proposed that are done over three phases the buildings are interconnected via Courtyards they're all located on top of a partially sunken parcade phase one covers the two Southwest buildings which are access Ted off of pton Avenue and pton is going to be raised to match the grade of the adjacent rail line as well as flood Construction level and this will set the public Courtyard areas at the same grade as the street and we negotiated through the resoning process the applicant has to provide a bunch of community amenities as well as a bunch of infrastructure improvements and a few of these are highlighted here for you there's play structures Child Care Facility after Transportation connection and affordable housing were all negotiated amenities so staff have conducted a review against the DPA 3 and six guidelines we found that the development is not meeting all of the applicable guidelines there's a full breakdown in the staff report in attachment one and we appreciate ADP providing feedback on firstly the commercial storefront facades so DPA 3 speaks to having a human scale of development in the lower stories and avoiding large blank walls and staff are seeking comment on the connection of the commercial units into the public Courtyard spaces and secondly the courtyard spaces themselves so DPA 3 speaks to outdoor amenity spaces fostering social Gatherings and play and staff seek ADP comment on the activation of these Courtyard spaces and lastly staff appreciate the panel's review on all things related to accessibility including The Pedestrian roots and the seating in the public spaces so I'll wrap it up there and I'll pass it along to the applicant team to do their

SPEAKER_08
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presentation can we share

SPEAKER_09
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that

SPEAKER_08
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presentation I'll just start by introducing myself I'm Jane song with AKA architecture design I'm joined today by other members of the team including Andreas Kaminsky and Emily Ranken also from AKA are landscap architect is here Dylan from dkl and our client team also Mike and Paul are on the call today the meeting today so asan I agreed it would be helpful to provide an overview of the overall project prior to getting into the design details of phase one so we've added this sheet which includes information about our starting point which were these three adjacent properties at 1100 1120 and 1140 Hunter place so these three sites were split Zone commercial and Industrial the rezoning followed the guidelin set out in the official community plan for permitted uses and density and after a rigorous resoning process we arrived at this site plan for the overall project the project is split into three different phases and there will be a separate development permit for each phase so today's meeting is about phase one we just included this concept sketch for the site plan it focuses on creating varied outdoor spaces and in around and in between the buildings and connecting the project to other community features such as the Nester shopping plaza the local public schools and the M mamp blind channel to name a you this early design sketch shows how the buildings are positioned to create open space around them in this case the sketch shows the south facing Plaza with views towards the mquan Bland Channel and the chief the buildings themselves are quite succinct and efficient and at the base of each building there's a covered pedestrian walkway so these are some of the fundamental Design Concepts that formed the principles of the site plan and architecture and these Concepts carry through into the design development of each phase so this set of diagrams Maps the evolution of the design rationel starting with the typical kind of building and Street relationship rather than this typical Arrangement there was an opportunity to prioritize pedestrian and bike traffic and deprioritize car movement so different Paths of travel were created to activate alternative modes of transportation to and through the site then we started looking at the spaces in between to create opportunities for landscaping and different outdoor experiences we also realized the space between the buildings could be used to frame the views surrounding the site towards natural features which are pretty panoramic with views in basically every direction the final diagram illustrates architectural approach which is to create simple yet sculptural elements that support the desired movement through the site we wanted the ground floor to feel quite grounded and connected to the Courtyard level and for the upper floors to feel more connected to the surrounding mountains before we get into the overall site plan I just want to quickly talk about parking because there's generally a lot of discussion around parking in Squamish for this project every phase has its own underground parcade which either meets or exceeds the parking requirements of that phase so for example all of the parking required for phase one is provided in the phase one parade and the same goes for phases two and three so the phase one parade is accessed from the South along pton and phases two and three are both accessed from Hunter place per District of Squamish fcl requirements only parking and storage are provided at this level okay so this is the ground floor plan of the overall scheme or the port Courtyard level the parkades are located here again on hton and then two long comter Place cars will be able to access the project from pemerton Avenue Hunter place and also along the Eastern property line where there will also be some surface parking there's a dedicated bike path along pton that connects to a multi-use path along the western property line so the multi-use path traverses the entire length of the property and is intended to connect people through to downtown and to the public schools there's also a continuous pedestrian path that traverses the site from corner to corner it is also meant to connect people through to downtown and to the public schools each phase will have their own indoor amenity space for the residents our garbage room as well as commercial space and I should mention also that all those paths that Traverse through are minimum of 1.5 MERS wide and usually wider so each of the buildings are mixed use with commercial spaces at the ground floor and five floors of residential units above in phase three there's a dedicated six-story office building with child care space for up to 20 children at the ground floor I will leave it to Delan our landscape architect to talk to you about the landscape features at this level so this is a paret plan in a little more detail for phase one but we've already talked about parking so we can come back to this if there's questions later on and then this is level one in a bit more detail for phase one this is where we have commercial units at the base of each building either facing that Plaza at the South West corner of the site or facing into the internal Courtyard there's an indoor minity space for res residential use that's connected to the outdoor minity space we also have service space at this level such as the garbage room electrical and mechanical rooms and there's a covered walkway along these building faces to create weather protection to the Cru entries and to the residential lobbies and again I our landscape architect will talk more about the open space at this plan so this is a fairly typical residential FL plate there's generally nine units per floor at the west building and eight units per floor at the East Building except at this level two where we have electrical and mechanical rooms instead of one unit and level two of the west building so this or pinkish building level two is dedicated for affordable rental apartments for a total of eight rental units at Phase One at levels 3 to six this is a typical floor plate every floor including the second floor has an adaptable unit so for there's a total of 10 adaptable units at phase one so getting into the elevations these are the elevations for building 1.1 for this building we are proposing a light neutral color palette with pops of colorful accents provided at the balconies with turquoise perforated metal guards at the commercial Courtyard level the covered walkways are defined by a series of columns that are clad in ceramic coated fiber cement panels with a smooth finish the face of the building uses ceramic coated fiber cement panels that are textured with horizontal stripes and we actually we have a box of this material at the meeting I know no one is really there in person but it's all kind of there for viewing so the intention is for at the commercial levels the same color palette will be used typically throughout the whole Courtyard level to create continuity from phase to phase can we move to the next elevation yeah so some more views of this first building I can kind of see the amenity room on the North elevation and then on the west elevation that's the face that fronts onto the multi-use path next slide please at building 1.2 we have proposed a contrasting color palette with deeper terracotta tones the perforated metal guards in this case complement rather than contrast with the rest of the building in order to create a more cohesive appearance at this building move to the next slide so again it's the same kind of treatment for the walkway that goes around the perimeter of the building I should mention you know because we're trying to meet the requirements of the energy code we are mindful of the amount of glazing that we use at the courtyard level so we prioritized large glass openings into the Cru spaces and so wherever you see the solid walls it's generally into utility spaces like the mechanical room electrical room garbage room that sort of thing for the main cladding material it res residential floors we're working with the custom metal platting fabricator to create custom profiles for this project we have a large mockup samples at the meeting I don't know how easy they'll be to share though we have two we have proposed two angled profiles that are basically the same but mirrored we would apply these profiles in sections that alternate to create a varied textured and Dynamic appearance to the building by using the same color with contrasting profiles there is a change in how the color is perceived depending on the direction of the light or the quality of the light for example on a sunny day the shadow lines will be quite pronounced and the contrast between the two profiles will be more obvious on a cloudy day when the light is diffused the shadows will be more subtle and the building will appear flatter and we like the idea a that the building appearance fluctuates throughout the day and also along with the weather as a practice we do like to use metal cladding for its durability but also because of squish's industrial history we consider it to be an appropriate Choice the custom profile adds a little more nuance and expresses the play between light and Shadow which we think captures the moodiness of Squamish is microclimate and here we have some views I think these are all part of your packages this is the view of the white building 1.1 and 1.2 which is terracotta these are taken from the southwest Plaza in the first view you're looking across the Plaza from building 1.1 towards 1.2 in the second view you're looking into the plaza and you can also see the dedicated bike lane along pemon Avenue as well as a multi-use path along the western property Edge these are more views to from the back of the site looking towards pton you can see the MN building on the right also you can kind of see building 3.2 which is the dedicated office building so that's a future phase building it's just kind of in there for

SPEAKER_05
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context next

SPEAKER_08
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slide these are a few more views of the that front corner PL again looking back into the interior Courtyard so in the second view you can see phases two and three in between the two phase one buildings and again there are some landscape features in here that our landscape architect will talk about mostly about you know you can kind of see the different kind of planter edges with seaing and as well the first image shows kind of the landscape feature the viewing platform that Dylan will talk about and just a little more detail on this storefront concept so this is our covered walkway area where we have you know kind of a typical storefront design with signage a signage band as well as blade signage that's perpendicular to the storefronts wood soft it and then just how we're trying to keep it it's quite sorry it has developed its kind of own language that contrasts with the residential floors above so just trying to create two separate yet connected paletts there and that is all I have prepared as an overview to the architecture and at this point we'll switch over to Dyan from DK yeah

SPEAKER_03
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thanks that was a very good overview so we just skipped the legend as the package was circulated and I'll just elaborate on the landscape design and address some of the clarifications requested from the staff so as we know Squamish is surrounded by nature and many elements do flow through the river the highway the winds they all flow through the chief and it's angular faces seams they provide a striking backdrop to the valley we overlaid these elements with the industrial history and our design language began to emerge allot of metal Timber concrete and left planting was used to provide definition to spaces taking cues from sand bars and the adjacent water courses consistent ground plane will Define the circulation routs flowing around the Lush planting and the Striking architecture next slide please the blue areas on this slide show 40% of the open space where pedestrians will be allowed to flow through the site now this 40% includes the bike circulation to the west but it excludes the private common amenity areas and the planting next slide please this slide was just included to show the extent to the work proposed in phase one which does include a connection a temporary connection along that West Edge in right beside phase two next slide please Jane gave a good flyby and overall summary with the public realm so I'll just use the enlarged plan to elaborate on the courtyards the private amenity and the play area will be surrounded by raised Planters and gated off from the remainder of the pedestrian circulation spilling out from the interior amenity space an outdoor kitchen will be the centerpiece for social Gatherings the building apron will provide good covered outdoor space which if required can be supplemented by umbrellas as part of the furniture package that's still to be developed with the marketing team the Triangular lawn area will offer a flexible program for kids to enjoy and anyone to play boty ban bag toss or other backyard activities from the common amenity area Gates will allow access to the playground at the corner of the site the play area will include a range of climbing for balancing and balancing for the older age groups with social elements for the younger children the climbing elements in the first phase will be supplemented by a Hills slide as part of the expansion of the play area to be included in phase three in phase three there will also be a dedicated play area for the indoor component of their child care so that will not be taken over necessarily by this shared between the buildings in Phase One the common of many areas will all be at one level with minimal slopes to for drainage and fluff transitions throughout the central Courtyard was designed as an oasis for the residents visitors passing through and tenants of the future office building with birds flying from tree to tree a large triangular planter with Native shrubs and understory trees will be the focal point of this space seating around the edges will provide two sides where the raised Planters have a seat wall attached to them with the anticipation that the Cru on the South Side could activate the third edge with their own seating in the South Courtyard two large raised Planters will frame the space surrounded by seat walls and benches facing the water with fuse to the cheap beyond the commercial patio was anticipated to activate the northern portion of the courtyard with informal spaces in circulation to the South to acknowledge the historical importance of logging in the Squamish area the South Courtyard will include a Timber seating element as a centerpiece the loading and Fire Lane will use the same paving as the rest of the ground plane to appear as an extension of the public realm rather than a purely U utilitarian space next slide please the design includes a mix of native and drought color plant material that was developed from beware guidelines and is in general compliance with dpa1 for fire resistance the range of planting will be predominantly Evergreen offering seasonal and bird habitat througho next slide please I think we can skip this one but it does go through and show the soil volumes it illustrates yeah let's skip this slide it'll be shown in the sections so you can see in the sections that the landscape beds are mounted to achieve the soil volumes required by the trees and the planting because the whole thing is on Parkade we do have to raise Planters and that creates opportunities for lighting seating and a number of other things the sections also show the timber seating element that will be developed during our working drawing stage large Timbers will be staggered to provide a range of seating opportunities at various Heights some of the wood seating Nooks will provide face-to-face social spaces While others will allow to feel more secure and isolated from others next slide please lastly I'll quickly walk you through the details highight some of the accessible features being used and just show some of the typical assemblies that are proposed so generally it's a Concrete assembly and we've got the place surface and then we've got raised Planters which will vary in thickness next slide please we're looking at doing custom Timber benches on metal and also some concrete seat walls with benches mounted on top and you can see there's arms in Gray there now we'll strategic Ally use those for skateboard deterrence and also to allow for an easy let down for someone who has accessibility challenges there's also areas throughout the site that allow a wheelchair to be seated beside one of these areas or if you are in a wheelchair and want to get off you can easily slide on next slide please that's just a typical tree planting detail I think we can Skip and I'll just leave you with that what we're proposing for the range of activities here so we've got the social seating area for the little kids and then there's a range of climbing elements that will be provided for the older age groups so I'm happy to answer any of your questions about the design and I look forward to the panel's comments I'll turn it back to Jane and if she has any final comments she can close out the

SPEAKER_08
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presentation thanks Dylan I think that pretty much concludes the presentation unless you want our team to just kind of hold up the material samples I I've been told that sometimes happens in a meeting where Asia what do you think you want

SPEAKER_00
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I'd love for you to I'd like to see them yeah okay

SPEAKER_08
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so we do have a tray that includes all of the material samples so it's a pretty simple palette I know Emily you want to start with building one

SPEAKER_01
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SPEAKER_08
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yeah is that is that the white yeah that's the white so the turquoise is the color we're proposing for the patio balconies in the renderings they show a little bit more muted but in the reality the color we CH chose has is much more saturated

SPEAKER_06
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is there a way that we can make the main presentation panel be the Dos room where the samples

SPEAKER_08
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are just kind of enlarge that

SPEAKER_04
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view

SPEAKER_06
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standby well yeah I don't mean Zoom the camera I just mean make it the

SPEAKER_00
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the entire screen

SPEAKER_06
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Focus the large the large screen for the presentation because all I'm seeing is just a tiny little postage stamp image in the corner I think it's dos presenter two that should be the

SPEAKER_04
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unfortunately that's not possible Charles it's a special camera so it doesn't work that

SPEAKER_06
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way

SPEAKER_00
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okay yeah we'll just have to make

SPEAKER_08
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do okay that's better

SPEAKER_04
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there we

SPEAKER_08
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go yeah so that's the metal siding of building 1.1 as well as the turquoise of the balcony guards

SPEAKER_00
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Jane and do you guys have the metal pro like a the example of the profile

SPEAKER_08
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yeah sort Emily's just kind of standing beside it right now I feel

SPEAKER_00
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like oh okay it's behind I see I saw her arm pointing at it so it's the big p the big pieces that are leaning against it okay

SPEAKER_08
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yeah pieces it's kind of

SPEAKER_05
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that's building sized

SPEAKER_08
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yeah it's the actual building size

SPEAKER_01
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so

SPEAKER_08
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even when we play around with it in our office like it almost it looks like two different colors they're exactly the same color but the it does just has a lot of nuance depending on how the light hits it so yeah we quite like that idea and we would do it for both the buildings 1.1 and 1.2 they're trying to show you the profiles they just kind of butterfly in the middle when the slopes change direction yeah and they're just so you know this Custom Metal Fabricator it's a minimum 22 gauge metal they use so it's thicker than a typical aluminum siding so it's meant to be quite true and we've worked with them to create a profile that they think is the most kind of stable and showcases their product really well because the idea is that if you get too narrow it looks a bit too much like regular siding and if you get too wide then it can oil Canen and also look a bit more like standing seam or Roofing so we're kind of in this middle sweet spot where we we're quite happy with the with the play oh there's building 1.2 th those are the larger sample is a terracotta for the balconies we're actually proposing this tile red color because it's perforated the color is complement that turquoise but also is a bit more saturated and Lively and we're proposing wood sofits throughout so the underside of the commercial walkway as well as the underside of all the decks will have the wood s it and really that's the most we can do with a building code classification that we're working with we are we can only use non-combustible full material except at the Sops so we're trying to use wood as much as we can in our sopit and then also in the Landscaping Emily's now holding up those are the commercial materials so this is a ceramic coated fiber cement board which is quite thick it's about 5/8 of an inch thick so they're quite dimensionally stable so we are we're proposing the same color but with different textures so along the outside face of the part of the walkway The Columns and the fascia above will be smooth and anything that is along the face of the building so on the on the inside face of the walkway that will all have the it's called the modern stripe and that will be applied horizontally just to kind of offset the vertical planks of the residential units above and really that's pretty much all we have in terms of the materials that we're using just trying to keep it very simple and the focus is more on the geometries that we're trying to create and also you know just kind of allowing you know we've allocated so much space to the courtyard that we really want that to be the focus and create most of the animation so the even the commercial spaces are more of a backdrop to the Landscaping because we do feel that relationship rather than a typical storefront streetcape we have something a little more unique here which is that courtyard space and just allowing that to be the main focus and that is the end of the presentation

SPEAKER_06
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thank you very

ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
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The District of Squamish council meeting extract discusses a proposed development project. The project includes a play area, private outdoor amenity area, private playground, and private indoor amenity area, all located along the north edge of the site. The play area is intended to be gated off for the use of residents, but guests invited by residents can also use it. The project also includes affordable rental units, which have the same layout as the other units in the development. The interior design specifications for these units have not yet been developed.

The project also includes a phase one parkade level, which has an excess of parking spaces. The tandem spaces in this parkade are in excess of what's required by the parking bylaw and would be allocated to three-bedroom or two-bedroom residences only. These tandem spaces are not counted towards the parking requirements; they are extra. The project also includes a public art component, which is planned for phase two, but could potentially be incorporated into phase one.

The project has undergone a rigorous rezoning process, which included considerations for the grade change on the site. The road elevation along the railway crossing is already quite high, so it doesn't need to be raised much more to reach five meters. By the time you get to the project site, you're already at five meters with an acceptable road slope. The project also includes a series of ramps to bring you from the road up to the courtyard level. The project also includes a strategy for dealing with wind, with covered arcades that provide shelter from the wind. The project also includes a public art component, which is planned for phase two, but could potentially be incorporated into phase one.

SPEAKER_06
0:49:01 (0:00:33)

much as we usually do we're going to move to having each of the panelists ask you know questions or clarifications and I'm GNA try and pick an order here first of all do we have any one inperson at District in the room who's a panelist all right so I'm going to ask John how about you

SPEAKER_02
0:49:34 (0:00:34)

start all thanks Charles thank you for the presentation that was great and thanks forting together this package for us just a couple quick questions for clarification so the play area in I guess that's like the northeast corner is that who's that play area for is that available to like visitors who might be just coming through the site or shopping is that going to be gated off for building residents only

SPEAKER_03
0:50:08 (0:00:23)

yeah I briefly touched on that and it is to be gated off so that it's for the use of the residents now if they're invited by someone who lives there then guests can obviously use it as well but the whole idea is to be proximate to the outdoor entertaining area and a quick little Passage through two set sets of gates will allow us able to transition from one space to the other

SPEAKER_02
0:50:31 (0:00:35)

okay thank you yeah so the there sort of a private outdoor amenity area the private playground and then the private indoor amenity area all along the north Edge there that's right okay all right question about the affordable rental were there any different design considerations for the eight rental units like whether that's interior design or unit layout or anything like that compared to the rest of the

SPEAKER_08
0:51:07 (0:00:31)

units so when it comes to the affordable rental units they are exactly the same layout as the as the units above we've also worked on and this is a condition of I don't know if it's a rezoning I think it is a condition of the rezoning where we have a variet of housing types within affordable units as well so it's not just one single unit type that's repeated but there's a range so from Studios to three bedrooms

SPEAKER_02
0:51:39 (0:00:08)

and the like the interior finishes and appliances and so on are they kind of the same as in the other units or are they different

SPEAKER_08
0:51:48 (0:00:16)

you know we haven't actually developed the interior design specs at this point but really the entire layout is meant to be the same but I can't speak to them finishes at this point

SPEAKER_02
0:52:04 (0:00:12)

could someone explain the Parkade tandem stalls how how's that going to work and so I guess maybe just the parking allocation

SPEAKER_08
0:52:16 (0:00:57)

sure so basically in the phase one Parkade level this is the one phase where we actually have an excess of parking which is kind of unheard of in Squamish so where we have tandem spaces those are actually the spaces that they don't they're in excess of what's required for the parking bylaw and so the idea is that those would be allocated to the three-bedroom or two-bedroom residence only and that's the only way those would be accepted towards the parking calculation and also just so we know we're not relying on those tandem spaces to meet our parking requirements they're completely extra

SPEAKER_02
0:53:13 (0:00:22)

gotta so the potentially the larger units might be allocated to stalls to in a tandem formation sort of up to like the strata or building operator to make sure that they're being used properly and not like just for storage or something like that

SPEAKER_08
0:53:36 (0:00:01)

correct

SPEAKER_02
0:53:37 (0:00:59)

yes super and then I guess just like the last question it was it's not totally clear from the drawing package and I know this is getting a little bit off of the site but I do think it's really important to just understand like how the grade change is going to be dealt with like so pton a on the south Edge will be raised but then what happens on the other side of pton Avenue how is that dealt with and I mean I guess this will be for a future yeah design panel to consider but similarly on the North side with th place right like I'm just a little I like the idea that the courtyard is kind of at the new grade and is accessible and folks can come in and like don't have to climb up a whole lot of stairs to get to it but I'm just thinking like there's some impact on the neighboring adjacent properties here that isn't really explained in the in the material that we've

SPEAKER_08
0:54:36 (0:00:21)

seen absolutely when we talk about the rigorous resoning process that we went to went through a lot of it has to do with exactly what you're talking about we did spend a lot of time on the a jenes along hton Avenue so

SPEAKER_02
0:54:58 (0:00:09)

I don't think like we weren't ever shown this at resoning stage so it would have been helpful for us to understand that a bit better

SPEAKER_08
0:55:07 (0:03:33)

yeah so there is as part of the resoning process there are a bunch of materials and I think we worked with engineering as well as owners of the adjacent sites to develop a strategy so basically along pton Avenue like along the railway Crossing that road elevation is already quite High so you don't need to raise it that much more to reach five meters and by the time you get to our site you're actually already at five meters with a with an acceptable Road slope and I can't remember exactly what that slope is let's say 6% or something like that to get you to 5 meters so all of phase one all of the front AG along phase one is built at that 5 meter Road elevation and when you get to phase three that Frontage is where it starts to so I think the first half of it is at five meters and then it ramps or slopes down to meet existing grade at the eastern half or the Eastern portion of pton and that's to allow those neighboring sites to you know continue to access their properties so that's the intention there and you know we did go through that process with engineering to determine that was an acceptable approach so along Hunter Place that road elevation needs to stay at its existing elevation which is at about 3.3 meters there's a gentle slope along there so it does change so we do need to have a series of ramps that bring you from pton up to the Courtyard level so and then you'll also see in the parade plan our P parade does not extend all the way through to Hunter place because we need to create storefronts at this at the same level as h place if that makes sense so the fronts of the crus that face Hunter place are at the hunter Place level and then the backs of them are at the level of the courtyard so internally there would need to be a set of stairs or something to bring you up to the Courtyard level on the outside of the buildings we have two ramp systems so one at the Corner the northwest corner that kind of attaches to the Hunter Place main intersection and then there's also ramp system between phases two and three that kind of and it's a it's basically a 5% slope that we're proposing in both of those locations so it looks quite long but it's a more maneuverable slope I hope that answers your question if not I might need help from engineering

SPEAKER_02
0:58:40 (0:00:16)

thanks that that's great and yeah like obviously just not having been involved in that rezoning phase like it would have been it's nice to understand that a little bit better but sounds like a really thoughtful approach and thank you for

SPEAKER_06
0:58:57 (0:00:06)

clarifying great thank you

SPEAKER_05
0:59:03 (0:00:23)

Julian thanks for a very clear presentation that's great question for Dylan can you talk us through a little bit more in specific terms what the rational has behind that kind of fragmented aesthetically we got going on sorry the which my audio mented aesthetic you've got going on

SPEAKER_03
0:59:26 (0:00:56)

oh okay sure if you do a Google flyby of some of the water courses and other things like that as I was alluding to there's a lot of things that flow through Squamish and it breaks up a lot of these landscape Pockets that are around Squamish so if you look at the Rivers you've got these sandb bars and they have that angular formation to them if you look at the chief you've got a bunch of seams that break up a very monolithic face so it's a repeated pattern throughout the region that we're trying to impose on some of the site plan and it was a really nice technique of having these landscape Islands to control and form these negative spaces that became the courtyards to define the circulation patterns and so it was a built-in Squamish solution with even the buildings treating themselves as Cliff faces so a lot of it spoke to the surrounding in the

SPEAKER_05
1:00:23 (0:00:07)

crcular awesome great thanks any consideration for sustainable Urban

SPEAKER_03
1:00:31 (0:00:36)

drainage we do have a lot of Planters and really because they're all raised it's very difficult to try and manage the storm water that way so there is not much tolerance as far as depth to slab and we're sitting in a flood plane and it's very difficult to try and go down so going up and then going up even further to be able to just raise all the floor levels came with a lot of complications so we tried to strike that happy balance there water doesn't go uphill so to try and divert it into the Planters became quite

SPEAKER_05
1:01:07 (0:00:15)

problematic okay what considerations were made for wind it's kind of an architectural question too I'm just I'm just curious about wind direction and whether the buildings are going to funnel wind through here in the inflow and

SPEAKER_08
1:01:23 (0:00:24)

outflow that's a great question Julian I feel like with this strategy of the arcade I mean usually the wind as I understand it comes mostly from the south but it does change direction at times too so what we have

SPEAKER_05
1:01:47 (0:00:00)

on aily

SPEAKER_08
1:01:48 (0:00:50)

basis yeah but if you look at our site plan basically in the covered arcades that there's always a corner so they wrap the corner so you could kind of dodge the wind depending on if it's coming from the south or the opposite direction it's a little bit more difficult to achieve wind shelter in our open Courtyard areas you would essentially I mean my experience of the wind is you kind of really need to be up against a building face in order to I know be sheltered so that's why you know the arcade is there you know up against the courtyard so there is at least a place where you can duck out for a bit

SPEAKER_05
1:02:38 (0:00:07)

Yeah okay that's it for me thank

SPEAKER_06
1:02:46 (0:00:10)

you okay let's see here Katherine

SPEAKER_09
1:02:57 (0:00:34)

thank you for the presentation I did see that your public art will be coming in phase two a bigger a bigger project but I'm wondering if you had considered any smaller public art as part of the character of this phase for instance like specialty design bike racks or places in the seating or on some of the larger public sorry on some of the larger open

SPEAKER_08
1:03:32 (0:01:41)

walls so in our overall plan at the resoning stage we did earmark a place where public art could be and that would be if it was a more centralized or like you know a one-off type of an installation and so the spot that was chosen happened to be in phase two so that's why we haven't included any of that in the phase one discussion but you are correct I feel like there is an opportunity especially since that pedestrian thoroughfare kind of extends over the entire Courtyard that we could that we could kind of extend the public art experience as well rather than something that's you know in one location have something that's kind of more repeated or interpreted over the course of the courtyard that is something that we haven't really addressed in the phase one development scenario although that doesn't mean that we couldn't include those elements in phase one once we've developed a strategy but the intention is to work with a an artist who would make recommendations with us on how to inter it you know one thing we did not want to do is say here you could have this and that we'd rather have a more integrated approach so that we're finding we're creating kind of a like a cohesive narrative with the public

SPEAKER_09
1:05:13 (0:00:11)

art and can you say when you would engage with that artist since you're potentially being able to pull it into this and how you would choose the artist

SPEAKER_08
1:05:25 (0:00:19)

yeah I mean we have started the discussion internally but I think the idea was to get through de phase one of the development permit before kind of diving into the public

SPEAKER_09
1:05:44 (0:00:06)

art okay thank you that's all my

SPEAKER_06
1:05:50 (0:00:01)

questions Sarah I'm

SPEAKER_04
1:05:52 (0:00:04)

sorry that you felt I

SPEAKER_07
1:05:57 (0:00:25)

for another great presentation and a complete package much appreciated so I have some questions Can somebody explain the from the outdoor barbecue area there's a path of travel through a gate to the bike racks is that just to reach the bike

SPEAKER_03
1:06:22 (0:00:03)

racks for the North to the South that's to the

SPEAKER_07
1:06:26 (0:00:03)

building one hang on let me just

SPEAKER_08
1:06:29 (0:00:02)

yeah I think it's building

SPEAKER_07
1:06:32 (0:00:22)

1.1 yeah building 1.1 from the outdoor kitchen back towards the main entry there's some bike rcks in between but there's a gate and a fence there and I'm just trying to understand is that just to access the bikes or is it somebody gonna walk across the lawn just understand what it's about it

SPEAKER_03
1:06:54 (0:00:22)

sure yeah the intent would be is you have gates to control access to that outdoor amenity space and then the bike rocks would be adjacent to the entry so that if somebody does visit they need some short-term bike parking that would be available to them so we were trying to locate the gate at a column and that was the nearest

SPEAKER_07
1:07:17 (0:00:17)

column okay so there's not you're if somebody's coming and they're not going to go inside but they're just going to go through the gate they're meant to travel behind those bicycles is that

SPEAKER_08
1:07:35 (0:00:41)

correct I might be able to jump in here basically like that gated area is meant to be approached mostly from the interior amenity space so once you're in the interior amenity area that's kind of how you enter that's how you would mostly enter that outdoor amenity space and those gates are kind of secondary like they're just kind of meant to create an enclosure around that outdoor amenity just to define the private versus the publicly or the private versus the you know the more the rest of the

SPEAKER_09
1:08:16 (0:00:01)

courtyard

SPEAKER_03
1:08:18 (0:00:26)

level and similarly there could be a gate we've created pinch points throughout the site which create the opport for Gates but if you look the there's another set of bike racks that are covered as well and just adjacent to that column there there's another pinch Point created by those Planters and a gate would be appropriate there too and a fence could be there but the gate at least allows maintenance access all the way around the

SPEAKER_07
1:08:44 (0:00:12)

building okay and then the symbology that's the sort of white larger circle with two round circles are those meant to be sort of tabletops with stools or

SPEAKER_03
1:08:57 (0:00:23)

something that's right just a two-top seater and so if those wanted to be on the south side instead of the north side there then it really is flexible and we'd like to develop that a little further with the overall vision and marketing so if that's more of a desire line to be able to get from the amenity area interior space to the play area then potentially they go somewhere

SPEAKER_07
1:09:20 (0:00:29)

else right okay and then just spacewise if you look sort of towards the north of those four tables in conjunction what's the amount of space that's between the tables and the lawn like is there sufficient space to pass if somebody needs to go to the second or third or fourth

SPEAKER_03
1:09:49 (0:00:05)

table not really you can walk along the lawn or roll over it

SPEAKER_07
1:09:55 (0:00:01)

right and the lawn's at grade

SPEAKER_03
1:09:56 (0:00:03)

it is the whole thing would be

SPEAKER_07
1:10:00 (0:00:31)

flush okay and then just to clarify the only above ground parking is along pton Avenue and how many I think I can't find the sheet now but I think that I'd seen one dedicated accessible spot that was going to be in the bay for the parking so somewhere along there is that is there six spots there or how many parking spaces are going to be available

SPEAKER_08
1:10:31 (0:00:22)

oh that's a good question that I think that is that part becomes part of the Dos property so we would I think we're still working with them on the streetcape design but I believe that they will require one of those spaces at least one of those to be barrier free

SPEAKER_07
1:10:54 (0:00:01)

okay

SPEAKER_00
1:10:55 (0:00:11)

yeah I can confirm so we are going to require that there's one accessible space along pton and also one along Hunter when that's built out okay

SPEAKER_07
1:11:07 (0:00:11)

and then for the fire truck access would that be would there be parking along there in front of that access or is that always going to be left open for the fire truck

SPEAKER_08
1:11:18 (0:00:14)

yeah per building code there is no other use allowed within that fire lane that's why we have actually the fire lane is adjacent to a loading space because you we're not allowed to overlap functions

SPEAKER_07
1:11:33 (0:00:13)

there okay and then in the concrete throughout the courtyard there I'm assuming these are saw cuts in the concrete the lines that are extending is that correct

SPEAKER_03
1:11:46 (0:00:08)

that's correct so at this point it's a notional pattern and we'll Define that a little bit better as things move through working drawing

SPEAKER_07
1:11:54 (0:00:14)

okay and then in the second building where the child care is going to be can you explain there's some bike racks that are in front of the entrance into sorry I can't quite see that on blow up here let's me see

SPEAKER_08
1:12:09 (0:00:02)

I think you're looking at Cru

SPEAKER_07
1:12:11 (0:00:07)

4 yeah there's a an entry so I'm on the landscape plan let me get to the right plan

SPEAKER_08
1:12:19 (0:00:42)

here yeah I think I know the area you're talking about Sarah and I was looking at this as well so the area where the space the bike spaces are like this is kind of more of a service area that brings people to the garbage room so I feel like those double doors into Cru 4 should actually be moved up the entrance yeah the entrance should be moved up just to create kind of more you know more visibility to that front Plaza anyway yeah that would

SPEAKER_03
1:13:02 (0:00:20)

yeah and really it is it is nice to be able to have a couple of covered bike stalls in a space that otherwise is not much use so it does serve a very good connecting purpose from this public sidewalk to get into the site so it's just a as Jane said a relocation of those doors would really help

SPEAKER_07
1:13:22 (0:00:06)

yeah just because if there's somebody there and the door is open a conflict with not enough space yeah that's

SPEAKER_08
1:13:29 (0:00:13)

a good point sorry I just wanted to clarify Sarah also the child care space is not in this building it's in the future phase three which is Jason yeah no problem

SPEAKER_07
1:13:42 (0:00:13)

okay I think that that's all of my questions at the moment because everything else was answered thanks very much and I look forward to making some

SPEAKER_06
1:13:55 (0:01:04)

comment thank you very much I just have a couple of questions I'm going to refer back to the staff report specific items that I'm wanting clarification over and I think my question actually is to staff on this on these items toward the end of the of the of the form there is questions about building exteriors emphasizing glazing blank walls or lack of details human scale at The Pedestrian level for the commercial areas and so on from these drawings I can't figure out what it is you're referring to so can you point me to or explain to me which areas are being referenced

SPEAKER_00
1:15:00 (0:00:13)

here yeah Charles could I just ask in the staff report are you referring to the DP guideline tables or the section four where I outline kind of staff's concerns with the

SPEAKER_06
1:15:14 (0:00:04)

project I think that comes up in both places but yeah it was referring to the

SPEAKER_00
1:15:19 (0:00:26)

tables yeah so that's staff's interpret a kind of the guidelines and reviewing the project against the guidelines so I'm not sure how well I can clarify for you if you have more specific questions about like what staff was looking at in the drawings when we filled out the table Yeah that's what I me

SPEAKER_04
1:15:45 (0:00:01)

try

SPEAKER_00
1:15:47 (0:00:44)

to yeah I mean we were we were looking at the whole package but particularly for the commercial units I struggled to on the elevations in the architectural package I struggled to determine what was glazing and what was concrete walls even when I zoomed in really closely into the architectural package so some of my comments came from a lack of clarity but obviously we wanted to get in front of ADP some of this stuff I'm sure we could have worked out if we had more time with the architect but say la V this is where we're at right now okay

SPEAKER_06
1:16:31 (0:00:29)

that's fine great I think that's it for my questions then the we'll proceed now to in the same order we originally did have the panel ists comment so I think John you spoke

SPEAKER_02
1:17:01 (0:02:40)

first thank you just a couple of comments then so I'd say you know if there's additional design development for this phase and definitely for the future phases is really important that we ensure the plaza is designed to be you know welcoming and accessible to visitors to the site that it doesn't read as a private and enclosed space for building residents I think that's really an intent of this project and with its adjacencies that's I think quite important I think that maintaining those opportunities for pedestrians to cross through the site North South in particular is probably I'd like to see that I think I would like to see you know some consideration for adding more benches and maybe even some covered or allseason kind of outdoor areas in the courtyard if that works I would really ask you to consider making the playground ungated make it more available to visitors to the site I think we have a really successful example already in Squamish at the locavore where a playground is you know becomes a major attraction and really drives like visitors and customers to a site and then I do you know looking at the stop report and the development permit area guidelines that we are expected to use to assess the U proposal I did note that there really seem to be extensive blank walls particular particularly on the east and west elevations of both buildings you know and just for a the walls of a plaza like this that it just seems really unfortunate and i' wonder if there's some opportunity just to I don't know whether that's adding some variability some like some kind of interest to those walls so understand you're trying to you know achieve a few different objectives there but like additional glazing additional entry points some kind of permeability or something like it just seems like some really boring edges to the plaza so I wonder if there's a way to address that that's all my

SPEAKER_06
1:19:42 (0:00:03)

comments great

SPEAKER_05
1:19:45 (0:02:54)

Julian thank you Charles I would Echo some of those previous comments there I think this is conceptually really strong Place making however I think it needs some refinement I think let's just talk about oblique angles and narrow planters for a little bit obli angles at grade people will cut the corners and that grass if it is slown will get one out on the corners PLS that are too narrow and too pointed in their Bleak sense they become feasable for plant establishment so they need to be widened a little bit to allow plants to grow them and I would like to see some attempt at sustainable o and drainage or water management as you might call it that can be done with permeable Paving systems that hold water on site in the same way that you would have on an intensive Green Roof System there's no real difference I would Echo the previous comments about the privatization of essentially what is public space I would like to see less privatization of that public space especially things around charge plate I think that's really a communal asset that should be open to the community and not privatized talking of those delineations it would have been nice to see some detailed drawings of what those fences and gates are actually going to look like because I think they're going to be important so I would have liked seen that I think generally I'd like to see more of a greater waiting towards Active Space rather than passive space so large areas of planters that are essentially passive space nothing much can really happen in them would been nice to see more of a waiting towards active space that's programmable going back to the idea of wind I think that is also potentially it's an element in sers that invariably you can't get away from but I don't think it's necessarily something that we always need to hide from it's part of life and sish and I think it's nice to draw that into your conceptual thinking to play with the idea of wind to express that in the design however you might do that just to note on the S cut jointing some of these areas and I know it's refinement that's going to come at a later stage the maximum size for some of those concrete areas to avoid cracking is really about five feet so you're going to end up with a hell of a lot more s Cuts than you than you're showing right now but that's it for my comments thanks very much I think it was it's a really exciting project and it's nice to see thank

SPEAKER_06
1:22:39 (0:00:06)

you thank you

SPEAKER_09
1:22:45 (0:01:18)

Katherine so my comment really would rely revolver on the that it seems like you don't have too much of a plan yet towards your public art component but a general well put it in phase two but then you kind of mentioned maybe we can pull it into elements of phase one I think if that's going to be possible then it would be important to start working with an artist sooner rather than later and I think that could help a little bit towards John's comment on the blank walls maybe we could see some artists like facad put on there or like specialized lighting or things to kind of pull public art into the design of the whole concept not just one piece in PH two and maybe that's in the walls maybe it's in the seaing areas maybe it's in the bike racks but I think that they're ways to pull some public art into more than just one kind of momentous piece in face to and that's all for

SPEAKER_06
1:24:03 (0:00:05)

me great thank you very much

SPEAKER_07
1:24:09 (0:01:42)

Sarah overall I think the Project's going to be fantastic I mean there does need to be some refinement and I Echo the points of having some of the space a bit more public and in fact I mean some of those you know those four tables that are lined up it might be nice to have if you're you are gating off the kitchen is to have it gated before that so that those tables and seating are available for people to sit and have coffee and enjoy the space I would encourage you to have not fixed seating so that seating can be moved if somebody is a wheelchair user with the wall seating I would encourage you to have some with back rests there might be an opportunity with the sort of stacked wood wooden element on the souths side is maybe you just decrease the seating depth then you could utilize some of that stacked as a as a back rest and then you know in those scenarios that you are adding a back rest is to have those you know the arms available for anybody who would who' need that I'd encourage you to move that entrance on the Cru four on building 1.2 North so that there aren't going to be space conflicts when those doors are open and then finally though it's sort of outside of this scope I would encourage you to look at the CSA b652 on adaptable and accessible dwellings when you're are doing those adaptable units just to look at those standards as well and all in all it looks great thank you very

SPEAKER_06
1:25:51 (0:02:48)

much great thank you I'm going to have pretty limited comments I do think this may be one of the best projects that the panel has reviewed package is certainly complete I find it interesting that it's a very subdued presentation the renderings are almost kind of you know washed out and over lit you're not overselling the project I think it's going to look a lot better than it looks in a lot of these renderings interestingly enough we've had most of the projects that have come to the panel have referenced the chief as a as a source of inspiration in terms of connecting the project you know to the to Squamish and this one I in a very in an interesting and very subtle way maybe doing it in a more successful way than most of those have the these buildings sit in the landscape in a very monolithic kind of way and the actual detailing of that cladding I think produces some very interesting kind of textural references to the rock face yeah really quite a wonderful little project yes I I'm going to Echo John's comment as and cats and I think you know that you know to be clear this building on the ground floor offers more glazing than most do so I would not I would not have pointed to that as being an issue but I would but I would say it would be nice you know where we do have a piece of BL a blank wall let's bring in something you know joyous and entertaining and beautiful to look at and get some art some texture some color on there and otherwise I think that's all I'd say this project really you know that I that I would like to see expanded on from a design point of view I've taken I've taken a few notes about what the points are that each of us have highlighted

SPEAKER_07
1:28:40 (0:00:02)

sorry may I Charles I missed

SPEAKER_06
1:28:42 (0:00:00)

yes certainly

SPEAKER_07
1:28:42 (0:00:29)

one recommendation which was at the top of my list with the covered walkways there's mentioned that it goes down to 1.48 m at the nest point they really should be 1.8 is what csab b651 is now recommending so anywhere that people need to pass each other you know try as much as you can to get it to 1.8 meters would be better that's it thanks

SPEAKER_06
1:29:12 (0:00:01)

all

SPEAKER_04
1:29:14 (0:00:06)

right

SPEAKER_06
1:29:20 (0:00:12)

does anyone on the panel want to have a discussion or is someone ready to propose a resolution

SPEAKER_07
1:29:33 (0:00:05)

Sarah I propose

SPEAKER_06
1:29:38 (0:01:55)

B all right our usual Middle Ground does someone second or does someone is someone opposed to that resolution second in John thank you I will I will say I'm not I am not I'm not going to formally oppose that although I do feel this project is good enough that we could just wave it through but so we have we have a resolution for B and for clarity's purpose this is where we feel the project is acceptable and to be we own with specific items that have been highlighted by the panel to be resolved with staff I'm going to read out some of some of those items that we would like to bullet point in the resolution so we have concern over blank walls at grade we have concern over the sharp Corners in the circulation that you know may require some widening a concern over providing more significant sustainable drainage from the site a preference for the playground area to be made available to the public not gated additional information about the detailing of the fences and Gates the provision of more programmed space within the landscape rather than passive you know landscaped areas

SPEAKER_04
1:31:34 (0:00:00)

and

SPEAKER_06
1:31:34 (0:00:14)

a suggestion to explore a the expression U of wind within the programming of those landscape areas

SPEAKER_05
1:31:48 (0:00:27)

Charles can I just make one slight clarification yes the idea of programmed spaces I don't think they necessarily need to be pre-program spaces but I think they need to be PR programmable so it's not necessarily you know throwing everything at it in terms of program I just think they need to be PR programmable spaces so maybe spaces that allow that to happen in a more flexible way

SPEAKER_06
1:32:16 (0:01:00)

okay thank you for the clarification I have I guess disappointment on the that there is that there is no not more detail or a plan for the public art component of this of this project or that it's been seems to have been deferred to Future phases and therefore you know we have a suggest that you know maybe beginning a process and considering art in the project you know would be a positive step again from s Sarah we had

SPEAKER_01
1:33:16 (0:00:01)

SPEAKER_06
1:33:18 (0:00:27)

sorry I'm rep I'm going to repeat a comment here about more of the more of the exterior ground floor space be left in the public realm as opposed to being gated and a call or suggestion for applying CSA b652 standards in terms of accessibility did I miss

SPEAKER_07
1:33:46 (0:00:21)

anything the B b652 is exclusively about the dwelling units about the adaptable dwelling units as opposed to the rest of the units and you missed the space requirements that CSA b651 has for passing space which is 1,800 millimeters 1.8 m

SPEAKER_06
1:34:07 (0:00:04)

right yes

SPEAKER_07
1:34:11 (0:00:14)

okay as well as back rests some of the benches having some back rest all

SPEAKER_06
1:34:25 (0:00:34)

right so we could vote on that resolution then all in favor raise your hand say I is that unanimous great we are we are done there for with that portion of the meeting if we if does anyone have any items that they would like to bring up for discuss discussion by the panel in general no we do

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SPEAKER_06
1:35:00 (0:00:10)

not and therefore I ready to call this meeting to an end yes first and

SPEAKER_01
1:35:11 (0:00:01)

second

SPEAKER_06
1:35:12 (0:00:11)

second great we can all for calling it a day all done thank

SPEAKER_03
1:35:23 (0:00:03)

you great comments and

SPEAKER_00
1:35:26 (0:00:04)

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