Advisory Design Panel - 19 Jan 2023 (Electronically)


1: Welcome to the Squamish Nation Traditional Territory
2: ADOPTION OF AGENDA
3: COMMITTEE MINUTES
3.A: MINUTES
3.A.i: Advisory Design Panel Minutes: September 15, 2022
4: DELEGATIONS AND PETITIONS
5: BUSINESS
5.i: DP000592 - Upper Finch Drive Townhomes
5.ii: DP000594 - 1701 Centennial Way Phase Two
6: COUNCIL
7: CORRESPONDENCE
8: ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
9: TERMINATION
Introduction, Approval of Minutes & DP000592 - Upper Finch Drive Townhomes
0:00:00 (1:37:13)

At the council meeting, the ADP discussed the application for 18 Town Homes located at 1070 Finch Drive. The design concept was inspired by the natural environment of the site, with a gradient of green colors and simple materials, energy efficient with solar power, geothermal heating and cooling, and no natural gas, and multi-use paths and trails connecting the development and existing Trail networks, as well as electric vehicle charging stations. The landscape design included native species, drought tolerant perennials, ornamental grasses and shrubs. Public comments focused on accessibility and adaptability of habitable spaces, pedestrian pathways, slide amenities, building amenities, commercial parking, fire truck accessibility, and indigenous culture and design in public spaces. Brent McCrory was elected as the Vice Chair for 2023, and Charles will be running the meeting from here on, with a refresher session on the role of the ADP planned for the next meeting.

SPEAKER_16
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excellent all right welcome everyone this is our first advisory design panel meeting for 2023 um and we'll start it off with introductions we have some new members this year um and navy will start with Brent we can't hear you I know you took your mood off but

SPEAKER_11
0:00:39 (0:00:00)

still no

SPEAKER_16
0:00:40 (0:00:14)

well nothing oh I think I have just heard something no okay Brent while you're working that out John we have John Chapman On Demand Being the first

SPEAKER_20
0:00:55 (0:00:01)

sure can you hear me

SPEAKER_15
0:00:57 (0:00:00)

yeah

SPEAKER_20
0:00:58 (0:00:35)

great hi I'm John Chapman I'm here on advisory design panel as a member at large and I I'm a resident of Squamish I have an interest in planning and development and professionally I work as a planner I'm the manager of planning in Whistler so I've certainly been on the other side of the table maybe even presented to some of you on this panel in the past I'm excited to be sitting here as a member of the design panel now

SPEAKER_16
0:01:33 (0:00:07)

awesome thanks John Elizabeth over to you

SPEAKER_05
0:01:40 (0:00:21)

hi all Elizabeth I resident of Squamish um I have a background in environmental science and Landscape architecture I'm currently a member at large not the landscape architect on ADP but work for Legion Associates in Vancouver landscape architecture and planning firm

SPEAKER_16
0:02:01 (0:00:06)

thank you Jamie

SPEAKER_19
0:02:08 (0:00:20)

yup Jamie Hart I'm one of the architect aipc members on panel for the last year and a half or so and I worked for public architecture and communication here in Vancouver and kind of lived up and down see the sky between Whistler and Northland

SPEAKER_16
0:02:29 (0:00:06)

thank you cat

SPEAKER_04
0:02:35 (0:00:15)

hi I'm Kat I am the executive director of Squamish Arts and also a resident in Squamish I am here kind of on the side of the public art for the ADP

SPEAKER_16
0:02:50 (0:00:04)

awesome thank you over to Luke

SPEAKER_03
0:02:54 (0:00:16)

hi I'm Luke Tyson I'm a resident of Squamish as well I sit on the number at large seat the background in architecture and a small amount of planning and I actually work for a architect company here in Squamish too

SPEAKER_16
0:03:10 (0:00:05)

thank you Sarah

SPEAKER_07
0:03:16 (0:00:19)

hi I'm Sarah Tickler I'm the longest member on AEP I think I am the accessibility consultant I work for the municipality in Whistler in planning and I'm Keen to see things be a bit more inclusive I live in Squamish

SPEAKER_16
0:03:36 (0:00:04)

thanks Sarah and let's try Brent again

SPEAKER_11
0:03:40 (0:00:35)

okay hopefully you can hear me now yes yeah okay always lots of fun with these virtual meetings yeah I'm a professional engineer for urban systems and I am the egbc representative I'm a resident of Squamish and eight yeah have a sort of a professional area is more on the transportation side of things been on the ADP for quite a while I think everyone other than Sarah on you're the second longest so

SPEAKER_16
0:04:15 (0:00:06)

awesome thanks Brent and Lucas

SPEAKER_13
0:04:22 (0:00:24)

hi all my name is Lucas baraby so I'm going to sitting on the udl some committee seat my professional life on the projector development at oppose of properties not a resident of squamishers Resident Vancouver but I

SPEAKER_16
0:04:46 (0:00:03)

see it's really tough to hear you Lucas is there anything you can do to

SPEAKER_13
0:04:50 (0:00:01)

yeah how's that Jonah

SPEAKER_16
0:04:52 (0:00:01)

sorry about that better

SPEAKER_13
0:04:53 (0:00:35)

better should I take it from the top I'll start I'll start from the top I'll start from the top my name is Lucas baraby new to the ADP joining as the new UTI liaison member um professionally I'm director of development with with both of properties heading up the scene's guide development so not a resident of squash unfortunately so I'm still a resident of Vancouver but spending a lot of time in your beautiful community and happy to be on the seat

SPEAKER_16
0:05:29 (0:00:08)

awesome did I miss anybody else out of the ADP members oh Sama over to you

SPEAKER_18
0:05:38 (0:00:25)

hello everyone nice to meet you all summer every architect aibc I'm representing architectural Institute of PC and currently working at the quality control project management with City of Vancouver I am currently overseeing the project processes and project delivery within the rafm real estate department with City of Vancouver

SPEAKER_16
0:06:04 (0:00:04)

yeah thank you Sama and welcome to the ADP and then we have

SPEAKER_02
0:06:08 (0:00:18)

Charles I'm Charles Lehmann I as well one of the aibc architect Representatives on the panel and I currently work with Acoustics architecture in Vancouver and I reside in North Vancouver

SPEAKER_16
0:06:26 (0:00:22)

thank you I think this is it I think the rest of the members on here are representing application so our second order of business is to elect a chair and a vice chair is there anybody who would like to volunteer their name or would like to nominate somebody

SPEAKER_02
0:06:49 (0:00:04)

I'm okay to do that I've been on several panels previously

SPEAKER_16
0:06:54 (0:00:05)

okay so we have Charles anybody else

SPEAKER_11
0:06:59 (0:00:05)

yeah I'm also okay to have my name forward

SPEAKER_16
0:07:05 (0:00:02)

Brett you gotta speak up I cannot hear anything yeah

SPEAKER_11
0:07:07 (0:00:08)

I'm also yeah I'll put my name forward to chair Vice chairman if you can hear me

SPEAKER_16
0:07:16 (0:00:26)

so you're my understanding is also putting your name for it right okay perfect so we do have we do need a chair and a vice chair would either just before we started voting would either one of you be happy with the with either position or are you both interested in the chair

SPEAKER_11
0:07:43 (0:00:03)

I'd be happy with either

SPEAKER_16
0:07:46 (0:00:23)

perfect and okay so why don't we see how many votes we have for Charles as being the chair yeah so the motion would be that Charles Lehman be elected as the chair for 2023.

SPEAKER_18
0:08:09 (0:00:03)

so how do we vote just raising hand

SPEAKER_16
0:08:13 (0:00:06)

yeah raise your hand if you're in favor right Charles you can't vote on that one

SPEAKER_15
0:08:19 (0:00:01)

all right

SPEAKER_16
0:08:21 (0:01:30)

okay how many votes did you catch the bullets Carly is that everybody basically okay perfect and oh yes we need we need somebody to second that motion perfect and next that right Brent McCrory be elected as the vice chair for 2023. all and somebody second it John seconded and we're good to go excellent thank you and now we can get to the business of the EDP I will note that on my list of things to do is to bring a bit of a refresher to the ADP that I couldn't get it done for this meeting but I'm hoping that for the next meeting we'll do a half an hour session on the role of the ADP and answer any questions that the members may have luckily it looks like we have quite a bit of experience here so might not be critical sure although we have Charles do you feel confident of running the meeting from here on

SPEAKER_02
0:09:51 (0:00:06)

I do have the agenda open in the background there so yes I believe I can do that

SPEAKER_16
0:09:58 (0:00:03)

okay over to you Charles

SPEAKER_01
0:10:01 (0:00:06)

all right

SPEAKER_02
0:10:08 (0:00:31)

sorry I'm trying to I'm trying to get it up in front of WebEx again here we are right so welcome to the Squamish Nation traditional territory are we rehearsing the usual text here I don't have it in the agenda and I don't have that memorized

SPEAKER_16
0:10:40 (0:00:06)

just the land acknowledgment is all we need should be in the agenda

SPEAKER_02
0:10:47 (0:00:04)

yeah that's what I was just reading

SPEAKER_16
0:10:51 (0:00:01)

that's fine yep

SPEAKER_02
0:10:53 (0:01:01)

all right we have an adoption of agenda so do we um do we have a first and second on the adoption of the agenda as it is and I don't know great I think I think Brent had his hand up there we've got several seconds so are we voting on this yay on the adoption of the minutes great it looks like we have a unanimous all right item number four delegations and petitions do we have any such today

SPEAKER_16
0:11:54 (0:00:02)

no we don't

SPEAKER_02
0:11:56 (0:00:41)

right next item business we have two items on the agenda today the first is a review of development permit 592 upper Finch Drive town homes which will be followed by development permit 594 1701 Centennial Way phase two I believe we are now ready to begin the presentation on the upper Finch Drive town homes and we have a representative or are we are we beginning with staff

SPEAKER_12
0:12:38 (0:00:57)

I'm happy to do a brief intro chair Brian thanks my name is Daly I'm a planner here at the District of Squamish so this development permit application represents 18 Town Homes located at 1070 Finch Drive the proposed development is subject to development permanent Area 3 Universal guidelines the tandems are part of the development contemplated during a recent rezoning application which rezoned a 1050 1056 1057 10 60 and 1070 Finch Drive from rs1 to comprehensive development Zone 101 to allow for the development of duplexes townhomes and apartment dwellings this project has not been previously presented to ADP and staff are generally supportive of the site plan and specifically request adp's recommendations on building form and character and Landscaping as it pertains to the dpa-3 guidelines so with that I will pass it over to the applicant's team and let them make their

SPEAKER_10
0:13:36 (0:00:32)

presentation my name is Paul I am an architect with strike architecture I read an 18-person firm here in Squamish I'm also a resident of Spanish I'm excited to be president attending dated Farm folks is mainly on massive pass residential low carbon development so that

SPEAKER_02
0:14:08 (0:00:07)

apologies can we get you to raise the volume Just a Touch

SPEAKER_10
0:14:16 (0:00:11)

how's this is that any better is this anybody can you hear me

SPEAKER_02
0:14:28 (0:00:08)

yes thank you

SPEAKER_10
0:14:36 (0:00:08)

Ryan it looks like Mike shared content button is great app is there a little Asians

SPEAKER_12
0:14:45 (0:00:06)

would one of the I.T folks be able to give Paul presenter privileges please or allow them to share a screen

SPEAKER_10
0:14:51 (0:11:11)

there we go all right so yeah as Brad mentioned this is phase two of the future drawings of development so Stark and M10 development are presented today and it is one of the development for just to clarify where duplexes that did not require so this presentation is focusing on books focusing only on phase two which are the townhouses so our vision for this development really comes down to five kind of keyboards we're looking to serve a growing Spanish Community with the diversity of housing types preserve the locally College even forested Hillside with minimal sight and visual disturbance but clean simple geometry paired with the color and material pelvic that complements the natural content sustainability is a huge part of this so we are really excited about producing this low carbon all-electric development there's no natural gas with solar power generating capacity and geothermic Heating and Cooling and this will result in squamishes first step five and net and Syria develop and connection so multi-use paths and landscape and Industry and circulation connects all the different phases of Finch Drive existing in future Trail networks and incentivizes non-fossil fuel transport such as the charging stations for electric vehicles like parking bike wash stations the design concept the inspiration for this development was taken from that natural environment of the site material palette and form of the buildings is reflected in the undulating green patterns of forest and the angular form of exposed Granite ground along with the natural born this diagram is just kind of indicating how the mass units are oriented on site so we have a solar orientation with a sloped roof that's oriented towards the South to take advantage of solar the color palette is a gradient of green so we're looking at kind of mimicking the color of the forest and how these subtle changes make this like a really interesting concept to look at so that's what we're design inspiration so getting cited in an actual contexts and implementing natural tones and materials all these precedents kind of seek to Bodywork and strive wants to create which is clean geometry blending them with an actual context using simple colors in Wood tone um the small envelope extensions allow for weather protection and frame interior volume units paired with a simple offset pegged roof that go you know both weather protection and privacy to each unit building design and Energy Efficiency so just highlighting some of the key concepts for using insulated concrete forms panelized framing triple based windows pep code five Net Zero ready fully solar powered and using geothermal heating both strike and DHD are really excited to be climate change leaders in this field and trying to really do what's right and push the push the envelope setting standards and Squamish and going Beyond what's required which is Sport and really going into the step five and enter already um creating community and fellowship sharing common attitudes interests and values is something that really are looking to provide this development and then responding to the sensitivities of the site interconnecting with the forests and trails so just to kind of give some side context phase two passages right here and the overall development is five full days it's including plexus and future America phones a side connection is something that it's really important for this development so this you can see in the mentioned dashed line we've got multi-use paths from Finch to loggers and where these arrows are our Trail connections to existing trails and the Legacy Sports part which is to them and then a Western Trail connecting Finch and rain and drive advantage and then we're providing a lot of community part shared open space and then other highlights we've got Wildlife proof based enclosures again here opposed and then two covered Community structures one at the time houses and then so site context this just gives a kind of visual description of how Steve Lee's sloped this site is so the town houses are kind of right in the middle they're set into to this kind of Nook and really kind of cite it in a way that attached them into the site and works with her intent of funding the side so we're just getting into a larger site plan cigarette parking accessible parking one electric waste inclusion here and then we've got two kind of main unit designs there's T3 on the west here and then T1 and two and then just these section is showing kind of existing creative materials and finishes um so we're using non-combustible fiber cement and metal climbing and all the exterior Services which is in compliance for Wildfire DVD pylon and really keeping the material palette as simple as possible so we've got this gradient of the greens we've got this kind of concrete base and then printed wood tones and highlight areas where we have these final extensions again I'm just looking at t3d and the back side so we've got the lower patios with the deck and then just the same kind of three major material the side ends of the units um that is pretty simple we've got the concrete which is kind of cloud and Harden and then just charcoal gray to kind of frame the overall sides of the buildings just a quick look into the unit plans the GFA for each of these units is right around 80 square feet and just a quick overview of before plans so we've got a garage area that's pushed back and then in a driveway that's not available and then an open space plan level two which on the East townhouses and you can see the North Area so necessarily being East patio and bedrooms on the top floor and on the G3 West units their way so audience are looking out to the West with the views yeah it's a level two garage and levels three another thing that we're looking at is just the future adaptability of these units so just a quick overview of the bcbc requirements of providing access to Common living areas and one bedroom and here with workspace on both sides of bathroom and bedroom find spatial requirements for future installation grab bars and then just there's a few elements that would either have to be modified from the current design front or after the fact so the kitchen layout matters lower than standard 36 inches we are able to install a stair lift with straight front and a curve around the landing so we're well over the planet and then the ensuite in the master bedroom had removed and a lot of fertility so but also kind of place into just at ground level finding circulate around so they have Strider roads at a two percent grade you can go into each unit patio on green or up to the back patio on bubble tea room two and then the waste enclosure is also accessible for site photos just to give some context of what the site was like you know we're really taking advantage of instead Spanish knows and loves chicken Squamish Valley in the house sound the second really provides some really incredible points to all of these areas um there's trees everywhere and so we're keeping as many trees as possible in this site and really integrating this project in with the environment as much as possible and really playing into the color palette of the existing say condition and I'll let Alexa now

SPEAKER_06
0:26:02 (0:02:40)

hi everyone I just want to say thank you for the opportunity to present to the design panel my name is Alexa Gonzalez I'm a landscape architect with Durante Kruk in Vancouver I'll try and keep my presentation brief and we can take some questions at the end so just to start so we're using the success of the recent Skyridge site as a conceptual starting point for this project we've been working really closely with the development team to implement a complementary landscape design that balances and showcases the Hanson architecture developed by Stark architecture and the Diamond Head team it's important to note that we've designed this space with a holistic view of the master plan and that while this phase is under review it is part of a bigger site plan concept and works in conjunction with the other phases and was designed simultaneously with the adjacent duplex site because our site is situated within the forested Hillside and of the sloped Squamish backdrop we're aiming for our landscape design to be simple clean and let the beauty of the natural environment all around the site be the real showcase we've located the proposed trees on the project to enhance and promote the incredible Valley views from the town homes with the understanding that we are situated with in a natural retained landscape context surrounded by existing trees all around the project perimeter and the natural slopes to create an oasis within the forest context additionally we're limiting the trees on site to ensure our project adheres to the required Wildfire planting guidelines that strictly enforces appropriate species spaces spacing and proximity to buildings our goal for the open space on the site was to provide open flexible yard spaces that promote the love of Outdoors neighborly interactions and a pride of place these feature a mix of open lawn area paved patios and shrub planting specifically the planting schematics themselves utilize an extensive mix of native species drought tolerant perennials and ornamental grasses and shrubs that have all been carefully selected to both be Bear Aware as well as Wildfire resistant for the district guidelines and finally I'd like to note that geotechnical and environmental Consultants have also been brought onto the team to provide expertise and Direction on the extensive grading and Remediation conditions all along the perimeter of the site and we'll continue to work closely with them and provide input along the way to ensure our town homes blend into the surrounding environment seamlessly I'm not sure if there's anything else Paul that you'd like to add in terms of site plan context but I think if we're ready we can take some questions from the

SPEAKER_15
0:28:43 (0:00:13)

panel

SPEAKER_16
0:28:57 (0:00:39)

okay if this is the end of your presentation thank you very much and now Charles normally what we would do is have a round of questions so essentially go around the table give every panel member an opportunity to ask a few questions and then we'll do the same round again with comments so if the applicant could stop sharing the video that'd be great

SPEAKER_02
0:29:36 (0:00:09)

all right I am is there any particular order we would prefer to have the panel proceed in

SPEAKER_16
0:29:45 (0:00:12)

I think as a chair you could go by your screen so you know you could just go in order of the panel numbers that you see if that's the easiest

SPEAKER_02
0:29:57 (0:00:14)

all right that's fine so I'm going to invite sama then to comment or ask questions I guess of the of the proponent

SPEAKER_18
0:30:12 (0:00:29)

thank you my first question is what is the applicant low carbon strategy for the site for cabin construction as well as Energy Efficiency use you know strategy for example do you do you have AV charging for the parking and yeah and where is the location

SPEAKER_10
0:30:42 (0:00:07)

yeah so the race relevanted to the South then coordinating with our

SPEAKER_16
0:30:49 (0:00:06)

all are you able to turn up your mic or move it closer to you it's really challenging to hear

SPEAKER_10
0:30:56 (0:00:09)

that's any better is this any better you guys

SPEAKER_16
0:31:05 (0:00:07)

no it's still it sounds like you're in the Box

SPEAKER_10
0:31:12 (0:00:00)

how about

SPEAKER_17
0:31:13 (0:00:06)

now that's good

SPEAKER_10
0:31:19 (0:01:35)

okay great I think maybe the our computer was picking up the wrong microphone so yeah so the I'll just start off with solar so we have been coordinating with on our energy consultant and solar supplier that have confirmed that we can meet the netzer requirements and the annual energy demand with the projected solar load of course there's always variables with weather but so far we are on track for that the geothermal heating and cooling is something that we're also really excited about using in this project which will just reduce the overall energy of demand for heating and cooling we will be providing the electrical and built-in kind of infrastructure in all of the garages for Ev charging and then in terms of low carbon construction I mean wood being a renewable resource is one and then the five percent panels and metal cladding are something that you know we are required to use non-combustible cladding and so those are our current choices for that so I hope that addresses your question

SPEAKER_18
0:32:55 (0:00:25)

okay thank you my other question is about the accessibility can I ask more questions you can adjust the accessibility have you explored More Design solutions to provide a the minimum requirement of the boiler without just you know relying on the

SPEAKER_10
0:33:21 (0:00:21)

lifter it's something that um we looked at early on just due to the kind of really small building footprint that we have to work with and the Steep nature of the site is really difficult to provide anything without relying on a stair lift

SPEAKER_18
0:33:43 (0:00:00)

thank

SPEAKER_15
0:33:43 (0:00:06)

you

SPEAKER_02
0:33:50 (0:00:12)

the next person I see on my screen would be I believe Brian

SPEAKER_12
0:34:02 (0:00:03)

I am a staff member and not a member

SPEAKER_02
0:34:06 (0:00:04)

oh yes of course that would be Brent there therefore

SPEAKER_11
0:34:11 (0:00:37)

great thanks Charles you hear me okay Paul and crew yeah okay just a couple of questions the first question is a larger kind of site plan question and if any I guess a pedestrian access connecting I guess Road E kind of the road that splits between the duplexes and the townhouse complex in pedestrian access to the west to connect towards French Drive was explored I know that's a very steep slope but sort of looking at a obvious desire line especially for people in this townhouse complex when we found yeah it was like that

SPEAKER_10
0:34:48 (0:00:40)

yeah so we do have sidewalks on that road where the future phase four and five are that connects to the west from Finch Drive and then from there is a landscape stair kind of on the on the edges of phase one that you would then be able to kind of go down onto some of the landscape gears and connect back onto the fence Drive road so there's no kind of straight line access because of how steep the site is but we are there are pedestrian routes that you can take from top to bottom

SPEAKER_11
0:35:29 (0:00:26)

okay and then next question was just on the like kind of gradation of greens and yeah I like the approach just wondering if other if color palettes were explored or and or how kind of that I don't know part of it's probably my screen but I don't see a lot of variation but a little bit and it's kind of one of those things that if you could maybe just kind of expand on that a little bit

SPEAKER_10
0:35:55 (0:00:49)

sure yeah so we spent a lot of time just looking at the available colors um for just the types of paint that we're looking at and landed on before that we really liked and then an alternating pattern we previously had looked at some other materials but we felt that the green really did the best job at allowing the buildings to kind of proceed into the into the background and that's something that I think is really key for our design intent for this project is um as much as possible to kind of really highlight the natural surroundings and kind of let the buildings just kind of float there

SPEAKER_11
0:36:45 (0:00:13)

yeah and then two more questions one is if any different roof lines were considered sort of recognizing the variation in color for the facade of the yeah variation of roof line was considered

SPEAKER_10
0:36:59 (0:00:47)

yeah we've looked at a at a few different like pitches of roof in different directions the roof obviously we want to orient the routes to the South for all of them just for solar aspect and then the kind of way that we're tying the roof into the overall kind of thin Extrusion of each unit um we felt ended in a really kind of seamless way um we looked at some steeper roof pitches but felt that the current roof pitch was kind of really ideal from a visual aesthetic perspective on our end and from a solar position yeah okay and then yeah last

SPEAKER_11
0:37:46 (0:00:23)

question is about the faux wood metal siding I think it's used as an accent and not a product that I'm familiar with instead of recognizing that the Wildfire bylaws bylaw needs to be met but yeah just if you could comment or I guess if other materials were explored and how this was selected

SPEAKER_10
0:38:09 (0:00:41)

yeah so we definitely wanted some type of kind of future material to accentuate the kind of envelope Extrusion there and having a nitrile wood tone just felt like the right mix with just the kind of mimicry of the forest and that particular wood tone is from the metal panel product that um we've been looking into that um that we're pretty excited about that's both really durable has good warranties and is cost effective and all of the enemies the Wildfire requirements

SPEAKER_11
0:38:50 (0:00:06)

okay thank you that's all for me

SPEAKER_02
0:38:57 (0:00:03)

all right I believe the next person in line would be

SPEAKER_05
0:39:00 (0:00:33)

Elizabeth um I have two questions one how are you managing storm water on site and number two I wonder if you can explain the berm on the west side of building three and how that's working in terms of like existing grades um whether those hydrangeas are planted in front of the berm or on top it's kind of hard to tell from the landscape plan

SPEAKER_10
0:39:33 (0:01:19)

yeah I can I can briefly talk to that maybe Alexa can add some at the end so we are working with a civil engineer and a geotechnical engineer on on those elements the storm water for the site is all being managed on site with a sperm water retention area which is the Little Pond if you're looking at the site plan kind of in between the two apartment buildings on the west side of the site and so through yeah underground infrastructure and you know on-site runoff it's all being kind of funneled into that zone in terms of the berm it is a geotechnical design firm for so I guess what's east of there is more steep slope and so it's a it's both a rock fall catchment berm but it is planted in a way that's similar to kind of the rest of the stepped two by two retaining wall tiers where we've got plantings of grasses like on the top and so yeah that's something that's more detailed in our inner geotechnical drawings Alexa do you want to add anything

SPEAKER_07
0:40:53 (0:00:00)

to

SPEAKER_10
0:40:54 (0:00:00)

that yeah

SPEAKER_06
0:40:54 (0:00:32)

I'll just add the landscape concept for the actual berm itself as Paul noted he's going to follow more of like the remediation concept so it's all of the you know dotted native species that will be pocket planted and sight-fitted the fence line and the hydrangeas are more of an expression towards the yardscape to get to layer that concept coming off of that berm and soften that edge a little bit so that would be at the base of the bird with an expression to the town homes as opposed to at the top of a bourbon creating additional height and cutting down your views

SPEAKER_05
0:41:27 (0:00:10)

okay I see it now yeah thanks

SPEAKER_02
0:41:38 (0:00:08)

all right next person would be Jamie

SPEAKER_19
0:41:46 (0:00:25)

thanks Charles I just have two questions first about summer thermal Comfort strategy just a question to the architect about whether mechanical cooling is provided by those ground Source heat pumps and or if there's a also a passive shading solution anywhere

SPEAKER_10
0:42:12 (0:00:26)

yeah so we are looking at yeah using the grand Source heat pumps with the geothermal for cooling and then the roofs do have an extension it's fairly small and then we are also looking at high performance Windows to reduce that extra thermal gain

SPEAKER_19
0:42:39 (0:00:20)

and then just a second question about the solar PV system apologies if you if you mentioned this in the in your statements but I'm just wondering if the actual PV array is part of the construction you know on day one turned over to the owners or if it's um a rough-in and you've evaluated the future capacity of it

SPEAKER_10
0:42:59 (0:00:33)

it's all going to be ready for solar panels so although wiring will be ready in terms of providing the actual solar panels on day one I think it's something that we're still evaluating but we just got confirmation a couple days ago that the expected solar sorry the expected energy annual energy demand for the units will be able to be met by the solar capacity of those

SPEAKER_19
0:43:33 (0:00:03)

routes thanks that's all I

SPEAKER_02
0:43:36 (0:00:14)

had Jason wood

SPEAKER_06
0:43:51 (0:00:03)

sorry Jason's part of the applicant team he's yes

SPEAKER_02
0:43:54 (0:00:01)

okay John Chapman

SPEAKER_20
0:43:56 (0:00:58)

then um thanks Charles that's great I've just a couple of questions so I guess I would ask the same question as Brent it seems like a mess not to have a like a some familiarity with the site I recognize the steep slope but it seems unfortunate not to have a direct pathway stairs downhill from the townhouses so it's unfortunate question about I think it says the group of Townhouses labeled T3 so the downhill or Westerly building is there access to the backyard looking at their drawings and it looked like there weren't stairs coming off the decks is there any access off the backside into the backyard for those units

SPEAKER_10
0:44:54 (0:00:04)

yes there's access through the garage um so there's a door from the garage out to the backyard

SPEAKER_20
0:44:59 (0:00:35)

okay and then I did you had a question about the garages I guess so you know I understand this form with two living stories above a garage is quite common like for that three-story townhouse in Squamish and understand that often has to do with you know building in a in a flood plain and the necessity of you know you can't have habitable space sometimes on that first floor in this case I assume that these townhouses aren't in a flood plain is that right

SPEAKER_10
0:45:35 (0:00:02)

yeah they would be above the floodplain

SPEAKER_20
0:45:37 (0:00:33)

so just you know thinking about the choice of that form certainly the development permit area guidelines speak to you know desire for welcoming building entrances there's certainly like accessibility issues with that's you know small front door and really immediate steep stairs to get up to a living space I wonder if was any thought given to looking at it you know a different kind of layout for the townhouses in this location because there isn't that necessity to you know build to an fcl

SPEAKER_10
0:46:11 (0:00:44)

yeah so I guess I'll just address that briefly other than saying that there is a lot of design iterations early on the main driver for this is how steeply the site is rising to the East and how much room we have for a building footprint and so in order to provide both the width of the strata Road and the driveways it left really very little room before we were going to have to have massive cuts into the existing Hillside or cantilevering off the other side and so the design that we ended with was really a way to minimize the building footprint and maximize living space

SPEAKER_20
0:46:56 (0:00:22)

and one last question I've kind I've heard that the of Tandem parking layout can often kind of be a bit problematic so similarly just wonder if you considered any other parking layouts

SPEAKER_10
0:47:19 (0:00:33)

in just in terms of driveway the typical kind of Tandem townhouse unit like really is the most efficient I mean we are providing some visitor parking there um but yeah just due to again like how constrained this site is in terms of available buildable area it was really challenging to find a different solution than the one that we ended with which I think we're happy with

SPEAKER_12
0:47:52 (0:00:25)

if I could just add I probably should have mentioned this in my Preamble to the west to immediately to the West on that very steep slope is an environmentally sensitive Forest which is one of the reasons why there is no pedestrian connection proposed at this time and another one of the reasons why this footprint is so limited so I just thought I would add that in there for context

SPEAKER_10
0:48:17 (0:00:08)

thanks for that clarification Ryan

SPEAKER_02
0:48:26 (0:00:07)

I believe the next person to speak would be cat

SPEAKER_04
0:48:33 (0:00:17)

thank you I saw in your report that public art is not proposed for this development so I was hoping you could speak to what phase you're looking to include public art and the decision making process around what that would look like

SPEAKER_10
0:48:51 (0:00:25)

yeah that's a great comment it's not something that we have discussed to date we're you know still kind of in the early design phases especially for phases three through five so it's something that's going to happen during those later design phases

SPEAKER_04
0:49:17 (0:00:11)

and they I think the first phase didn't have to come to the ADP can someone speak to if those phases will come to the ADP and will it go through this review

SPEAKER_12
0:49:28 (0:00:24)

I'm happy to speak to that the first phase did not because they were duplex units not subject to form and character development permit the future ones are all apartment buildings and they are where the some of the community park and open shared open space will be located and that would likely be a more appropriate location for public art

SPEAKER_04
0:49:53 (0:00:03)

that's all for me

SPEAKER_02
0:49:56 (0:00:05)

Lucas

SPEAKER_13
0:50:02 (0:00:13)

yeah thanks very much so first question is how many total units are projected for phase understanding this phase is teaching the total number sorry

SPEAKER_02
0:50:16 (0:00:03)

Lucas to hold your

SPEAKER_13
0:50:19 (0:00:22)

yeah absolutely I'm sorry about that everybody all at once the first question I had is what are the total number of holes projected for phases one through four understanding getting t-towns are part of the second phase but told about her across the four bases

SPEAKER_10
0:50:42 (0:00:19)

so um yeah the total number in phase two are 18 units the total number in Phase One are 20 units the total units for All Phases it currently is 215. okay

SPEAKER_13
0:51:01 (0:00:26)

okay yeah perfect thanks and so with regards to 215 total holes where would be the closest kind of park or child's play area to these 18th it's completely recognizing that it kind of buildable areas it's quite constrained and in this site but I just had trouble picking it from my vehicle

SPEAKER_10
0:51:28 (0:00:19)

yeah so we are providing park space in both phases three and four and then the child care will be part of one of those apartment buildings

SPEAKER_13
0:51:47 (0:00:45)

okay perfect thanks and then the next question is or on the design so I was wondering if there was any consideration given to kind of the provision of a transom world or side light in English areas and maybe it's just the way that the elevation but it does look like sort of the discrete interface of the of the homes contains a lot of blank wall and also just for light Ingress considerations in the college I was I was wondering there's a consideration given to that

SPEAKER_10
0:52:33 (0:00:04)

it's still a little bit hard to hear you was your question about Transit

SPEAKER_13
0:52:37 (0:00:13)

no not at all sorry is everybody having the same the same challenges picking up what I'm saying yeah okay sorry about that is is this any better

SPEAKER_10
0:52:51 (0:00:00)

a bit

SPEAKER_13
0:52:52 (0:00:28)

Yeah okay no my next question was just around if there was any consideration for side lights or transoms in the garage in the garages um because the way the elevation reads to me is that the ground level interface contains a lot of blank wall and I was just wondering if there was consideration

SPEAKER_10
0:53:21 (0:00:26)

yeah so the ground level on T3 is primarily garage door in the entry door and the backyards would be a location where we could feasibly provide some transom and then on T1 and two that level is mostly buried

SPEAKER_13
0:53:47 (0:00:07)

perfect okay thanks

SPEAKER_02
0:53:54 (0:00:08)

all right I believe I believe we have Luke would be next

SPEAKER_03
0:54:03 (0:00:27)

thanks Paul and Alexa for the presentation by the way my first question is the distance between the Townhomes T1 and T2 and the proposed future apartment building do you have like a dimension between the proposed edges of the building face like how close are they

SPEAKER_10
0:54:30 (0:00:02)

sorry between

SPEAKER_03
0:54:33 (0:00:10)

like the I'm just looking at your section on a105 and it's just like kind of the distance between T2 and the what looks like the face of the Parkade

SPEAKER_10
0:54:44 (0:00:22)

right so let me just pull that drunk in

SPEAKER_03
0:55:06 (0:00:11)

and then also like in terms of planting between those two buildings what is opposed because I'm struggling to read the landscape drawings to see what plants are there

SPEAKER_10
0:55:17 (0:00:09)

yeah so just to clarify that first question so the line that's directly behind T1 and T2

SPEAKER_03
0:55:26 (0:00:08)

yeah the distance between the buildings of like the town home buildings T2 and the future apartment building that's going in the next phase

SPEAKER_10
0:55:35 (0:00:28)

yeah so from the face of the apartment building to the face of the townhouses we're looking at 18 meters but there is a landscape step that goes kind of to a planted roof of the Parkade there before that specific distance is something that we're going to be fully refining during phase five and the design of ap4

SPEAKER_06
0:56:04 (0:00:29)

and it's in its current state we're looking at about seven and a half meters essentially from our T1 and T2 building phase to the edge of the potential Parkade step understanding that there will be a grade change because of the sloping condition of the site it will be a wall condition so we're looking to do to Evergreen rhododendrons that would essentially break up what that expression is of that Parkade wall and Visually limit what the impact of that wall is going to be

SPEAKER_03
0:56:33 (0:00:17)

okay thank you and also has there been any consideration to imprison how will you might preserve the privacy of the bedrooms in T2 from the apartment buildings which would probably encroach on that

SPEAKER_10
0:56:50 (0:00:50)

yeah thanks for that question it's definitely something that we will be thinking about during the design of the apartment building thankfully though when one way that the grade is working for us is most of the apartment windows will be looking directly across from the townhouses the envelope extension um the roof overhang will provide a little bit of shading from view lines so especially as you go further up in the apartment building the amount that if you were actually trying to look into somebody's window it should be fairly minimal of the of the amount of room space that's visible

SPEAKER_03
0:57:41 (0:00:17)

okay thanks and I was noting on the sort of the entrances um to all of these Town Homes you've you have noted an artistic slatted privacy fence could you like walk me through the kind of the design intent of that and the materiality

SPEAKER_10
0:57:58 (0:00:29)

please yeah so the privacy fence currently I'm it's not you know fully designed yet but it's it would it would be a wood slat vertical wood fence but something that will be finalizing during the next stage of design

SPEAKER_03
0:58:28 (0:00:14)

okay if it's a vertical wood slot fence would that meet the fire the Wildfire thing or would it have to be something else like metal

SPEAKER_10
0:58:42 (0:00:20)

I you know I don't know the answer to that off the top of my head I know it's because it's not part of the building it's not you know subject to the cladding requirements in terms of landscape features Alexa can you talk

SPEAKER_06
0:59:02 (0:00:36)

any to my memory there wasn't a limitation on the fence material for the Wildfire guidelines it's more about the plant material and spacing so we are actually like proposing wood fencing on the perimeter of the site for example so I can't imagine if we're doing it there that would be an issue in this privacy screen condition particularly it's relative to the building faces coming off the building phase and underneath of that overhang so not necessarily integral but certainly part of the architectural expression

SPEAKER_03
0:59:39 (0:00:10)

thanks and then the post that I kind of outside the entry as well they know it is Hardy clad and they just would post cloud and Hardy

SPEAKER_10
0:59:49 (0:00:06)

that's correct they're a structural wood post that's cloud and Hardy and that would need to have the non-combustible cladding on it

SPEAKER_03
0:59:56 (0:00:13)

okay could you explain more about your strategy for lighting on the project as well like eliminating the entrances or any kind of Street lighting that's proposed

SPEAKER_06
1:00:10 (0:00:44)

I can briefly speak to some of the street lighting we've been working with the Civil consultant to ensure that we've got adequate light levels along the roadways through street light standards those are shown on the landscape plan with flanking lights coming down Road E and then we have two additional lights along the strata Lane in front of the Town Homes so that's essentially how the landscape is being lit we are trying to limit the impact of landscape lighting in this particular area try to make sure we're dark sky compliant and we do have limited areas where we have common outdoor space so it doesn't necessarily make sense to light the whole place up but perhaps Paul can speak to any additional architectural Lighting on the project

SPEAKER_10
1:00:54 (0:00:31)

yeah and for building lighting we'll be working with our interior designer to um you know find products that will work with the architectural intent so the kind of soffit up at the at the garage area would will have Lighting in it it's something that will be you know furthering in later design phases

SPEAKER_03
1:01:25 (0:00:04)

okay thanks I think that's my questions for now cheers

SPEAKER_02
1:01:30 (0:00:12)

okay can and I invite Sarah please

SPEAKER_07
1:01:42 (0:00:19)

hi thanks for the presentation I just wanted to clarify a few things so because there weren't the adaptability slides included in the package are you posing that all of these units are going to be adaptable

SPEAKER_10
1:02:01 (0:00:24)

we are not proposing that they will be fully adaptable to begin with just due to this particularly the kitchen kind of the requirements but it's something that all the units could be made into an adaptable unit fairly easily

SPEAKER_07
1:02:25 (0:00:09)

so here you will be putting backing in the walls or your future stair lifts and for future grab bars in the bathrooms

SPEAKER_10
1:02:35 (0:00:12)

I think it's something that we would definitely want to do for at least one of the units we'll have to explore the further extent of that with our client

SPEAKER_07
1:02:47 (0:00:05)

so one of the 215 units that you're building

SPEAKER_10
1:02:52 (0:00:15)

sorry one of the 18 townhouses and then for future phases at least one of each building but out here definitely open to

SPEAKER_07
1:03:08 (0:00:28)

very small amount can you tell me have you explored at all any access from Road E to the back side of T1 and T2 building so they could be in essence I mean not truly visitable because I don't think that the bathrooms are but at least somebody would be able to come into the back deck to have a meal with someone if need be has that been explored

SPEAKER_10
1:03:37 (0:00:25)

that's a that's a great point it's something that's not or at least feasible but the with the current design but I think as we get into the phase four design it's certainly something that we can take into account I think that's a that's a great comment and a great idea

SPEAKER_07
1:04:02 (0:00:16)

yeah I mean it would you know you could have permeable pavers so that it's grass and Essence coming along there and would just be available for somebody to go in through the back side to have a visit with somebody would be massive step that's all my comments at the moment thank you

SPEAKER_15
1:04:18 (0:00:05)

thank you

SPEAKER_02
1:04:23 (0:01:08)

have I missed anyone on the panel no great I actually um have I believe this has you know been discussed but I want to further clarify there is if we look at the sections it does appear that there is a berm to the West that is essentially almost the height of that lower floor so that the T3 units their exterior patios essentially are you know below grade I mean you're you have the building on one side and you have the berm on the other and you have no view from that exterior space I just want to confirm that that's what's happening there and maybe have an explanation of how the back of that berm which appears to be cut at quite a steep angle is being treated

SPEAKER_10
1:05:32 (0:01:01)

yeah thanks for that comment so this section is cut at the highest point there so there's an existing crest of Hill there and we had looked at an option that just flattened that out however as Brian mentioned that whole area is a environmentally sensitive treat area and so in order to really minimize the amount of that area that we are impacting we had to kind of pull back that backyard space and so the berm that you're seeing in this section would be the highest amount and then it would kind of taper off to either side and it will be stabilized in conjunction with our coordination with our geotechnical consultant with plantings

SPEAKER_02
1:06:34 (0:00:30)

thank you I believe in it now move to a round of comments from the panel yes so I would suggest that we maybe proceed in the reverse order this time and let's have let's have Sarah start out

SPEAKER_07
1:07:04 (0:00:58)

okay so I think that one out of 18 units to be adaptable is a very small number and it's slightly misleading to say that these are all adaptable when in fact you would have to rip part the walls to put in extra backing in order to put in your lift in order to put in grab bars take everything out so they aren't in their current state if they don't have backing the wall not truly adaptable so just be cautious of what you're how you're describing these units and I would spend some time to explore accessing the back side of these units so that at least you know somebody can visit at the very least

SPEAKER_10
1:08:03 (0:00:01)

thank you

SPEAKER_02
1:08:04 (0:00:09)

great so who is directly previous to Sarah I believe that was Luke

SPEAKER_03
1:08:14 (0:02:58)

okay sorry I'm just formalizing my thoughts now okay looking yeah I at the I'll start with the building materiality and Bowman character I think the entries um need to be kind of more like carefully considered as I like the idea of the slotted fence but as understandably meeting step four is always quite tricky it's alsoever important to try and articulate or create those areas of privacy and if it's all kind of one color seeing that more detail put into that slide of fans might be able to satisfy that especially it could be an opportunity to use if you can get away with the wildfire restrictions then yeah would I think would be great especially complementing that soffit the cloud Timber post as well and that entry as Hardy it might be also be worth reviewing if possible doing that if it's possible to have heavy Timbers that could further complement it um and negate the requirement for you know where the barrier strapping a Hardy panel and all the flashing that comes with it could be somewhat of an untidy detail that might ruin their entry and you might be able to save on that a little bit I have like a particular bit of com concern with privacy and the site plan the way everything's arranged in a linear format it but the problem with Townhomes is I guess that they always have a some kind of privacy issue but when you start arranging Town Homes directly adjacent to apartment buildings as they're used differently and people use their decks it might actually have a different interface between the users where you might have privacy issues and even sound issues on an evening so it might be that could be something that's sold with something as simple as Landscaping but I think careful consideration should be given to the next phase especially when you're so tight on the space I commend you on the use of leave sorry on your low carbon Vision I think the same step five would be great I think that the roof lines I'm the big gray and it especially works well with the solar panels orientated to the South I'm still a little on the chart as to what areas are riparian and what aren't but it would be great to see further pedestrian connectivity um or like pedestrian circulation given west to east on this site I think it'd be very difficult living there having to walk around especially in Winter and it might even give more opportunities for play if there was some kind of pathway between the top and the bottom where maybe it's not necessarily accessible and but you could actually use the slope to create areas for kids to play on in the forest because that's what a lot of kids do here and I'll leave those comments for now thank

SPEAKER_02
1:11:12 (0:00:05)

you

SPEAKER_04
1:11:18 (0:01:48)

cat thank you as it hasn't been considered really that much at this point towards public art something I'll like add as a hesitation or a bit of a warning for you moving forward is that um what I've seen a lot from presentations in the ADP is that certain artists are reached out to and there's no public call and so I'm seeing very repetitively the same artists especially indigenous artists being chose for every design so I would be careful especially if you are choosing in the future to work with an indigenous designer to do some type of call for proposal or call for artist um to perhaps not use the same two artists that are being used in most of the designs in the past couple of adps I've seen and then I think there is obviously the one kind of big public art idea of this but there are also are ways to incorporate public art into say even this design so I saw in your report that there's like bike parking a bike wash station a gazebo a shared waste room so this could be something where you have one thing designed and then it can be a repeatable design and incorporated into some of those things I'm not sure exactly what the bike parking is but for instance if you had like bike racks on site you could have those designed by an artist and then have those fabricated so you're just paying for the one design but then you do have functional public art through your entire site and so I would invite you to look into options to integrate even something small into each phase so that it's not just one piece of public art away from the rest of the design

SPEAKER_10
1:13:07 (0:00:00)

thank

SPEAKER_02
1:13:07 (0:00:08)

you I believe I believe John is next

SPEAKER_20
1:13:16 (0:00:53)

thanks yeah I guess it just I'll add a couple of comments echoing Sarah I'd be really nice to see the buildings like designed and constructed so that accessibility requirements could it if they're not going to be included right off the bat could be really easily retrofitted I think it's with these three-story townhouses in particular that would be really nice to see I think that in building T3 access from habitable floors to the backyard would be something to consider rather than out of the garage there and then very much you know understand some of the constraints but that West East pedestrian connectivity it just seems like a real mess be really nice to see something done there

SPEAKER_02
1:14:09 (0:00:09)

I'm sorry I think I skipped Lucas not yes I believe I skipped Lucas by mistake there

SPEAKER_13
1:14:18 (0:00:10)

yeah no problem I think before I even start speaking I'll ask how my microphone is can everybody hear me okay

SPEAKER_01
1:14:29 (0:00:03)

it could be better louder okay

SPEAKER_13
1:14:32 (0:00:07)

sorry I'm in a I made an open concept office so I'm just kind of wary of screaming into it but I'll try how's that that's

SPEAKER_02
1:14:39 (0:00:00)

good

SPEAKER_13
1:14:40 (0:01:55)

okay just start by saying overall I do appreciate um kind of the design intent um to provide kind of undulating greens and natural materiality that blends into the you know the beautiful established surrounding landscape I do think in kind of looking at the elevations there is a there is a kind of a lack of Contour in the materiality and I think that the depth of the kind of faux Timber frames is going to be really important in kind of establishing our articulation and establishing A variation in the facade so the not in picked up the elevation obviously but picked up in the rendering and if that is indeed an accurate representation of the depth I think that's just going to be really important um but I do think it looks good and I also know that sometimes that's the first thing to kind of get value engineered out is the depth of frames but I think in this case it is it is a really important design feature and the other yeah the other comment that I would have is there you know with regard to kind of privacy at the street level I do kind of appreciate letting the church trees and the surrounding environment s speak for themselves but there does seem to be a bit of lack of privacy established between the homes on the ground plane so maybe that's something it could be could be looked into but overall I do I do like the design intent and I do think that you know sort of the wide shallow units are excellent use of kind of the constrained site in the space

SPEAKER_15
1:16:35 (0:00:06)

thanks

SPEAKER_04
1:16:41 (0:00:04)

Jamie

SPEAKER_19
1:16:46 (0:03:15)

thank you I'll look here so first of all I'd say I understand the constraints of the fire smart regulations so there's obviously a limited material part that's available I just encourage the applicant to pay attention to the detailing of Hardy panel joints I think a lot of it will really succeed or fail on the basis of how well that kind of single material is detailed just and then to add to Luke's comments about articulating the unit entry a little bit more since this kind of shared laneway is so kind of dominated by parked cars it'd be nice to make a little bit more of a neighborly feel to people's entries I do think that you know I recognize the constraints of the site and how steeply graded it is and then I think the typology of the kind of narrow footprint townhome combined with the kind of site conditions means there's definitely some compromises significant compromises in terms of accessibility and then just to do with the position the overall sizing of the building you know transport access and car dependency but that's a broader kind of discussion um so I second John's comments about accessibility in the particular unit typology though and the very small footprint and the use of you know the whole available footprint for a garage on the ground floor um I do appreciate the sort of consistency of the materials I think the buildings are not very large each of the three buildings so there's no need to start introducing more different materials beyond the two that's shown so I appreciate the restraint and the material use and the color polish I appreciate the simple roof form I think it's nice that there's been consideration of the solar PV systems it would be great statement from the developer I think to look to actually include that in the construction great way to offset you know you got Peak cooling demand in the summer in the time when you're getting Peak solar output from the solar panel so it's a really nice kind of complement and hopefully the owners will take up that opportunity what else I do also appreciate just the kind of Simplicity of the building form I think it'll be you know a really effective way to provide kind of an affordable step five level of construction it's not overly complicated the you know our architectural flourishes are usually kind of accomplished by overhangs and kind of articulation of flanking walls or outside a thermal envelope so I think it's a really clever starting point for you know building that's looking to really hit high performance I think there's a lot to like about the scheme how it's laid out and yeah I hope that you know the applicant and the developer and so on will share Lessons Learned afterwards when you know when the Project's complete look forward to following it

SPEAKER_02
1:20:01 (0:00:01)

great thank you

SPEAKER_05
1:20:03 (0:01:32)

Elizabeth too much detail number one double check that all of your seed mixes from Pacific are native species a lot of the Wildflower mixes aren't number two I think it would be nice to minimize the amount of sod line like outside of the yard areas and maybe use like a bee turf or you know something else that's a low maintenance low-mo mix that's not going to go Brown in the summertime the Stuka glocka pretty much dies immediately after the first so I wouldn't use it as a foundation it doesn't like the wet Roots saturation here that goes along with lavender too generally and then I know it's oh and one more thing kataniaster I would stop that freaking Nick I know you probably can't add more trees but it would be nice to see more trees and especially native species and it would be nice if you could like maybe bring up some of the Native species into to the planting around the buildings maybe just be a bit more creative with the rows of hydrangea and rotos and kind of mix it up a bit make it a bit more naturalized and softer and choicia also has a hard time Winters have been hard on it okay I think that's it oh it's sweet gum's been brittle lately too okay that's it

SPEAKER_02
1:21:36 (0:00:06)

great thank you I believe we still have to hear from Brent

SPEAKER_11
1:21:42 (0:00:57)

thank you yeah a lot of similar comments to the rest of the people on the panel yeah congratulate the applicant I think going for step five when it's not needed is definitely a noteworthy thing and something that is appreciated I think in some of the comments around accessibility and ensuring accessibility is yeah planned and has been considered and designed into at least some of the units is definitely would be a good addition and I think that access people who are likely to buy step five possible Net Zero ohm are likely interested in walking and biking and I think that the circuitous access to get down to Finch Drive would be could be a deterrent and lead to sort of people driving when they don't need to so if there's any way to provide best free access not accessible access down the slope I think that would be a great thing to look

SPEAKER_15
1:22:40 (0:00:01)

into

SPEAKER_11
1:22:42 (0:00:13)

um yeah the lights that form a character I think that the tones of green really at least in the renderings look really nice and excited to see what the buildings look like thanks

SPEAKER_02
1:22:55 (0:00:10)

thank you have I missed anyone I'm going to close off

SPEAKER_18
1:23:05 (0:00:02)

sorry Charles I didn't oh someone

SPEAKER_02
1:23:08 (0:00:06)

is because you've ended up I was ordered down my way down on my screen yes please yes

SPEAKER_18
1:23:15 (0:01:07)

you know my comment is quick I just Echo all the previous comments and most importantly accessibility and adaptability of the habitable spaces and pedestrian pet Pathways and also I might I comment on accessibility of the all the all the slide amenities and building amenities like you know mailbox this sort of things are also I suggest to provide more adaptable and accessible commercial part parking a revision to revisit the fire truck accessibility and I also comment on indigenous culture and design and please consider the culture and design and some consideration like smudgerling type of things mostly for public spaces that's it thank you

SPEAKER_02
1:24:22 (0:03:15)

thank you I I'm going to close off I'm going to try to keep my comments short here first of all thank you for you know the package I think the I think the design as it stands is there's some there's some very nice poetic aspects I like the story behind the colors and the selections of materials I like the general kind of articulation of the form it has a nice kind of Rhythm and scale I like the livability of these units you know accessibility issues notwithstanding I've I feel however that the the package could have used a little bit more design development especially on the detail level and considering things like you know additional detailing and trim around the windows patterning and texture of some of the elevational materials and especially there's this wall at the North End of the of the of the building which is you know largely blank and is clad and Hardy panel even though it it's clearly intended from a architectural language point of view to look as if the roof form is kind of folding over and you sort of expect or want that to be a standing seam cladding rather than a hearty panel I think it's manageable as a Hardy panel as a cladding but I I'd like to see a little bit again of development of kind of texture and pattern a kind of playfulness if we're evoking these sort of you know you if the gray of the form is meant to kind of evoke the cliff side then I'd like to see a little bit of kind of like a Randomness to the pattern there that you know evocative of the of the cracking and cracking of the cliff side for instance I they are as think the same kind of issue of attention to detail applies to the exterior spaces that we've already mentioned and talked a lot about the entrances I think a lot of the exterior patio spaces as well there's not a lot of design development there so there's issues with the you know the Privacy between the units and not a lot of a sense of how these spaces are going to get used as exterior Living Spaces you know and therefore as well you know I know