Advisory Design Panel - 20 Apr 2023


1: Welcome to the Squamish Nation Traditional Territory
2: ADOPTION OF AGENDA
3: COMMITTEE MINUTES
3.A: MINUTES
3.A.i: Advisory Design Panel Minutes: March 16, 2023
3.B: BUSINESS ARISING
4: DELEGATIONS AND PETITIONS
5: BUSINESS
5.i: Development Permit DP000586 - 38373 Buckley Avenue Townhomes
6: COUNCIL
6.A: STATUS OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL
6.B: REFERRALS FROM COUNCIL
7: CORRESPONDENCE
8: ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
9: TERMINATION
Advisory Design Panel - April 20, 2023
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The development permit application presented at the council meeting is for a five-townhome project located at 38373 Buckley Avenue, across from a high school and elementary school, and adjacent to the CN rail line. The application meets the requirements of the RM1 zoning and is subject to the DPA A3 guidelines. The staff is seeking the advisory design panel's recommendation on building form, character, and landscaping.

The proposed townhomes are three-story buildings, with each unit having approximately 1500 square feet of living space. The site plan includes access from Buckley Avenue, visitor parking, entrances to the units, and bike parking. There is also pedestrian access provided, along with an accessible parking space in the visitor parking area. The development offers 240 square meters of outdoor amenity space, which is more than the required 40 square meters per unit. Additionally, private outdoor spaces in the form of patios and balconies are provided for each unit.

The architectural design features a mix of materials, including fiber cement siding panels, longboard siding in oak color, and brick on the lower floor. The building's articulation is designed to avoid a flat appearance, with varying rooflines and alternating colors. The landscape design is residential in character, with small trees, conifers, and a walkway leading to the amenity area and barbecue area. Each townhouse has its own yard, with the patio screened by a six-foot screen between patios and a 42-inch open fence connecting to the six-foot perimeter fence. The plant materials used are West Coast Pieris, Azalea, and roses, with no fruiting plants to avoid attracting bears.

SPEAKER_09
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council chambers so just want to welcome you to the Squamish nation and the traditional territory for first school ask s adoption of the agenda provided so Sarah to first okay hard to see but someone in the room John maybe to Second yeah and then second order of business is committing meeting minutes from the March 16th advisory design panel meeting any discussion commentary not then we'll move to adopt their first John second Julian here great I don't think we have any business arising or delegations and petitions onto our fifth order of business which is development permit dt00586 which is 38373 Buckley Avenue townhomes and I'll pass it over to Brian Daly the district

SPEAKER_02
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thank you chair so today we are presenting a development permit application for Five Town Homes at three eight three seven three Buckley Avenue is on the west side of Buckley Avenue across from the high school and Elementary School um on the west side of the property is the CN rail line the application meets the requirements of the rm1 zoning and it's a staff feel that it generally conforms to the DPA A3 guidelines which it is subject to and staff are looking for adp's recommendation on building form and character and Landscaping as it pertains to those guidelines so with that I will pass it over to the architect team for their presentation

SPEAKER_03
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hi everyone I'm Monica groover I work with DVD and Architects we have designed the building and we are here to present it's a five unit townhouse project three-story I'll take you to the site we'll it's on Buckley Avenue and about 12 1284 square meter in size it the rear end touches the railway line and it's right across the school that's the survey that's the base plan with the setback lines and it just shows the restraints that we had some rendering views for the building correct here's the site plan so the access is from Buckley Avenue come in and you have the visitor parking and entrance to the units and you can also see the bike parking there's also pedestrian access that has been provided there's an accessible parking space in the visitor parking space and it's right next to the waste room so the space near visitor parking can double up as the garbage pickup truck whenever required five townhouses about 1500 square feet each fairly flat land and there's outdoor amenity at the end we have about four 240 square meter of outdoor amenity space which is more than what was required 40 square meter per unit was required and we have about 48 square meter per unit we also have private outer spaces in terms of patios and balconies for the units which are over the requirement as well 10 was required we are proposing almost 25 percent per unit sorry these are the main plain main plants for the from the driveway you come into the garage there's also bike parking which are the long-term bike parking spaces so every unit has two available we did we had to move the habitable spaces to the upper floors because the site falls under a floodplain the upper and this is where the mechanical spaces are as well at the second level because of the same reason there's kitchen and there's dining space Nook and living areas there's also Ample Storage spaces and a washroom and a balcony the Upper Floor unit the Upper Floor Plan has three bedrooms two washrooms two full washrooms laundry closets Windows both sides that's the shadow study that we did as it was one of the requirements too it that's the South elevation which is essentially the front elevation when you come into the development Escape there's a cable roof that runs shed along and roofs that meet into it cable roofs are pitched at four and twelve and the shed roofs are at 3 in 12. we've used a variety of materials fiber cement siding panels like James Hardy and in different colors there's longboard siding and in Oak color and there's brick used on the lower floor all around which is Coal Creek which is also we also have a sample here these are the elevations on the other end these are the raspberry blush pop doors are to the patios here and north of the side looks like that so we have our materials we are alternating between the colors used we're also providing the articulation of the building is done so that it does not look like a flat face they're moved in and out we have nine feet clear on the main floor which gives we have nine feet from floor to floor on the main floor which gives an eight feet clear height there's ten feet floor to floor four main living areas and nine feet again for the upper story unit plans in more detail so the bedrooms are a good 12 feet by 12 feet sized master bedroom and the other bedrooms are 10 by 10 or 11 by nine this is the corner unit which is a slightly bigger unit the other I end and this unit is a slightly bigger one to 23 feet by 27 feet these are the details for the waist room we were required to provide oh all that bad talk about the landscape just

SPEAKER_00
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so the landscape is very residential and character smallish trees um being styrax some dawiki Beach and Magnolias we have some conifers in the amenity area on the west side and they are proposed to be Serbian spruce the project is designed so that there's a there's a four foot walkway that comes from Buckley that goes to the amenity area and to a barbecue area within the amenity area there's bike parking common bike parking in that area as well and some lounge chairs and open lawn is sort of the amenity in place for children to play each of the five townhouses has its own yard the patio itself is screened by a six foot screen Just Between the patios and then it drops down to a 42 inch open fence that ties into the six foot fence along the perimeter so that they're not so pennish they're a little more open to your neighbors where it's not you're not sitting immediately adjacent to them there's a few Basalt features in that amenity area but it also ties in with the sign feature right off of Buckley where there's an image just beside the bike rack there that shows what we're trying to accomplish with a rock feature and the addressing right on Buckley gas parking and breaking up the driveway as in Pavers there is a band of porous pavers where at the low spot of that drive aisle and then there's also planting adjacent to each entryway so you can see where there's green that's framing the landing and the and the in the door into it so a bit of greenery on that side and as well a hedge on the south side and I'll leave it like that there and the plant material the rest of the plant materials sort of West Coast Pieris Azalea there's some roses but no fruiting plants no bear bait

SPEAKER_04
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thanks

SPEAKER_03
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just grab an option yeah

SPEAKER_09
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okay I think is that is that it for the proponents presentation then yes

SPEAKER_02
0:12:12 (0:00:01)

I believe so

SPEAKER_09
0:12:13 (0:00:07)

okay I'll get it started with Julian for random questions

SPEAKER_07
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oh thanks Brian thank you for the presentation Paul looks nice and clear on the not that it's my specialty but I'm just curious on the North elevation of the building what's the color of the lighter stucco panel or Hardy panel that you've got there sorry I think it's hard

SPEAKER_03
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what's the question

SPEAKER_00
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the color on this sorry did you not hear me the lights color

SPEAKER_03
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not television yeah

SPEAKER_07
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yeah North elevation what's the color of the lighter of the Audi panels or stucco if that's what it is I can't remember

SPEAKER_04
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7 million six two five

SPEAKER_03
0:13:10 (0:00:05)

it's called morning fog from Sherwin-Williams it's great it's a light gray I have it's

SPEAKER_07
0:13:15 (0:00:16)

kind of a light gray okay yeah and landscape question the what's the area of lawn per unit on the ground floor for the private area of

SPEAKER_03
0:13:31 (0:00:10)

the lawn area of about 300 square feet for each unit 340 square feet for each patio each unit's patio

SPEAKER_07
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that's Lono

SPEAKER_00
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patio

SPEAKER_03
0:13:47 (0:00:04)

it's the whole yard area not just the patio do you remember the

SPEAKER_07
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ones are about what like a third of that or

SPEAKER_00
0:13:54 (0:00:09)

something no I don't but I would assume the patio is in the order of eight by eight or ten by ten it

SPEAKER_03
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does look like that eight by ten so it's 80.

SPEAKER_04
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turn around is 260 square feet each 250 it

SPEAKER_07
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is was there any consideration for storm water

SPEAKER_03
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management storm

SPEAKER_07
0:14:25 (0:00:04)

water management sorry are you guys struggling to hear me

SPEAKER_00
0:14:29 (0:00:07)

break it just kind of comes out kind of mumbly it just comes out that way

SPEAKER_02
0:14:37 (0:00:08)

the applicants have submitted a storm water management plan that will be reviewed by the engineering department through their servicing agreement application great thank

SPEAKER_04
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you strips yeah

SPEAKER_07
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awesome thank

SPEAKER_04
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you plan for that yeah

SPEAKER_07
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right that's all my questions thank you

SPEAKER_09
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thanks Jillian I'll pass it to Sarah

SPEAKER_05
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next and here you can you hear me now yes can you tell me what the color of the proposed Paving is that's going to go in the driveway is it going to be the same color as the bricks that are on the wall

SPEAKER_00
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and there is there's gray and topi gray are they exact they're standard colors so they're approximate the same but not exactly

SPEAKER_05
0:15:42 (0:00:07)

yeah okay so they're in the same tone the what's on the ground is what's on the yeah

SPEAKER_00
0:15:49 (0:00:03)

there's gray there's

SPEAKER_03
0:15:53 (0:00:19)

yeah some of you some of the facade has the same look like that because some of the facade is morning fog light gray with peppercorn has highlights on it and the driveway is going to be light gray with The Pedestrian and darker gray

SPEAKER_05
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okay thank you and then I just wanted to get clarity on where the fence with the gate is going

SPEAKER_00
0:16:21 (0:00:28)

the fence with the gate is the lower so in the drawings that's actually a blue but there is a there's a thicker line that goes to the end of the to the North End of the patio and then from the North End Of The Patio it's approximately four or five feet of the lower fence that extends to the six foot fence

SPEAKER_05
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okay

SPEAKER_00
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there's a gate in there I need

SPEAKER_05
0:16:54 (0:00:02)

oh there's gate between each yes

SPEAKER_00
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between each patio

SPEAKER_05
0:16:58 (0:00:04)

okay great thank you that's one of my questions

SPEAKER_09
0:17:03 (0:00:07)

all right Sarah I'll pass it to UHD members in council chambers and I

SPEAKER_00
0:17:11 (0:00:01)

can't see faces so maybe just say

SPEAKER_09
0:17:12 (0:00:05)

your name and I'll record the motorizer do I run at the table and it's fun

SPEAKER_06
0:17:18 (0:00:15)

okay so it's I'll start it's Luke thanks for presentation by the way I just want to know in the schematic design phase what was your sort of rationale for the sizing the width of the units other size that you did

SPEAKER_03
0:17:34 (0:00:44)

most of the form that has been derived is from the constraints and the setbacks initially so we wanted to utilize the space as much as we could so we are achieving an affair of 0.6 which is the maximum permissible and we needed to provide space for garage width and the entrance with it so that helped us Define the garage well the width of the unit and yeah and then we wanted to use the space for a driveway a comfortable walkway a comfortable apron into the unit and the rest of it we worked from our like layouts on the upper floors as well so that helped us Define the width and the length for every unit

SPEAKER_06
0:18:19 (0:00:08)

this might be more of a question for planning but is there a variance for the 0.3 required at the side of a parking space next to a wall

SPEAKER_02
0:18:27 (0:00:10)

that variance is not requested I believe the garages are providing that but I cannot confirm because the dimensions are not shown on the interior of the

SPEAKER_01
0:18:38 (0:00:03)

garage

SPEAKER_06
0:18:41 (0:00:07)

could you show me the level one plan please is that is that possible actually we've got it here

SPEAKER_01
0:18:49 (0:00:02)

so we've got damn

SPEAKER_06
0:18:52 (0:00:38)

yeah the nine with okay so they're 2.75 I'll wait to make a comment about that later could you give me the just walk me through the rationale for the whole I noticed a lot the um the garbage room is at the front of the property right on the property line and then there's a business parking and the massing for walk that sort of thing Could you me through the Russian Alpha how'd that all you arrived up there

SPEAKER_03
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do you want to tell that one okay you can turn that on

SPEAKER_04
0:19:35 (0:00:03)

hi sure

SPEAKER_02
0:19:38 (0:00:38)

yeah so staff pushed that design rationale they were has they their preference was not to provide a shared waste enclosure and I pushed on that and we felt it was a reasonable compromise to put it at the front so that the turnaround was more usable there for waste pickup and that if you know if the future strata could put a No Parking sign for garbage pickup day then that would help facilitate it further in those visitor stalls and it also helped avoid trucks going all the way down to the end and made the usable space at the rear are functional so that was definitely pushed by

SPEAKER_04
0:20:17 (0:00:11)

planning

SPEAKER_06
0:20:28 (0:00:06)

sorry I didn't notice the materiality on the drawings for the garbage room is it this is it sort of akin to the main building or

SPEAKER_03
0:20:34 (0:00:15)

yes right now we're just showing a concrete block enclosure and then we would be using the same colors as the building most likely a lighter gray just so it's not as visible or prominent at the entrance for us yeah

SPEAKER_06
0:20:50 (0:00:02)

like as in painted or with this yes

SPEAKER_03
0:20:53 (0:00:11)

just painted that's the only intention right now to have a concrete block enclosure or and have it completely covered too

SPEAKER_06
0:21:04 (0:00:15)

okay and I was the I didn't see a lot of detail in the landscape presentation about the covered open space in the rear can you what tell me what color the wood is to be painted or primed or sealed

SPEAKER_00
0:21:20 (0:00:20)

oh the I'm not sure but I'm sure we what we typically would call out is to match the building trim to the architectural spec that's what we would typically do

SPEAKER_03
0:21:40 (0:00:06)

so we're using a lot of Oak colored wood Even in our renderings to show fencing

SPEAKER_06
0:21:47 (0:00:06)

okay and the old colored wood is that that's not his longboard is that the longboard medical product or is it actually Tom and groove Cedar and

SPEAKER_04
0:21:54 (0:00:03)

it's longboard yeah

SPEAKER_06
0:21:58 (0:00:03)

so it's the metal so my

SPEAKER_05
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questions

SPEAKER_09
0:22:08 (0:00:02)

you have to go for it next in the next in the room

SPEAKER_01
0:22:10 (0:00:21)

thanks Brent it's John here I think most of my questions have been addressed already so that's great thanks guys was there any thought given to a play structure in the common open space

SPEAKER_00
0:22:32 (0:00:16)

thinking that the Elementary School is right across the street then they have a significant play element there that we would just leave it as a more of a family gathering place where kids could run on the lawn and that sort of play rather than doing an actual structure

SPEAKER_01
0:22:48 (0:00:38)

okay great thank you I think I also appreciate the discussion of managing the visitor parking on garbage day and then I just wanna is there any possibility it's hard to tell with the drawings but is there any possibility that residents would be able to park sort of on the apron like outside of the garages so I guess it would be sort of over top of that paved walkway area is that like feasible at all in this location

SPEAKER_02
0:23:27 (0:00:08)

I don't believe so

SPEAKER_01
0:23:35 (0:00:33)

that's correct those are sort of okay awesome and then just one quick comment I don't know if this was just me but the landscape drawings are not in color and it would have been nice to see full color landscape drawings it would have just helped with the legibility so I don't know that isn't what I received in the attachment that was emailed to me so that's just my comment I'm not directed to anybody but just it would have helped with the to be able to read that's all no big deal

SPEAKER_08
0:24:08 (0:00:29)

thanks very much Lucas here appreciate the presentation most of my questions have been answered already I had a question again about the child's play and appreciate the proximity to the elementary school but I was a father of a young child proximity is always kind of top of mind for me but I appreciate that consideration was given and made a question for the planner so the far is maxed is that is that correct

SPEAKER_02
0:24:38 (0:00:03)

yes that's corrected they take advantage of the low carbon density bonus

SPEAKER_08
0:24:42 (0:00:38)

got it got it okay perfect because I'm kind of immediately go to the width reserve for visitor parking and garbage enclosure and see I think 33 feet there and obviously there was no opportu opportunity for an additionally yeah that wanted to ask a question I appreciate that and then last question is the so yeah again appreciate the attempt at building face articulation so you know offhand what the depth variance between the building faces it are so where they're where it's proud or where there's an inset like approximate so yeah

SPEAKER_04
0:25:20 (0:00:12)

the garages um consider that as your level the Upper Floor comes out the balconies comes out approximately four feet okay and the blocking comes to create

SPEAKER_08
0:25:32 (0:00:02)

comes out three feet okay

SPEAKER_04
0:25:34 (0:00:12)

and then on the upper floors we call from the from the greatest got

SPEAKER_08
0:25:47 (0:00:19)

it and then the intent would be is that the material the materiality is continuous around the return so if it's fiber cement then that wraps around and I can't really tell from the rendering but if there's a condition where it's long board then the longboard would wrap or maybe it's only the cement panel that's

SPEAKER_04
0:26:06 (0:00:09)

wrapping yeah photograph on the front and then the longboard is more like a plain edge to edge

SPEAKER_08
0:26:15 (0:00:07)

understood perfect thanks very much

SPEAKER_09
0:26:23 (0:00:00)

okay

SPEAKER_04
0:26:23 (0:00:00)

I think that's everyone

SPEAKER_09
0:26:24 (0:00:14)

in council chambers and only me who is left wondering if you could speak to the color palette Choice and kind of what was the thinking with it

SPEAKER_03
0:26:38 (0:00:29)

we wanted to go with a more earthy approach also wanted to keep it modern in a way and most of her most of the colors chosen are with like a gray undertone and we added some color with the doors gray was the basic undertone just like a reflection of the mountains surrounding and Squamish in general and we added some Oak longboard to introduce more sustainable

SPEAKER_04
0:27:08 (0:00:00)

vernacular

SPEAKER_03
0:27:09 (0:00:10)

vernacular approach to the development and then we added a bright red door to just bring in a pop

SPEAKER_09
0:27:19 (0:00:14)

great and I was asking about mechanical systems Heating and Cooling if that has been determined or what the approach is going to be

SPEAKER_03
0:27:33 (0:00:21)

I don't believe a lot of detail has been considered for it but we've made space for furnace and we've left spaces and closets for when the when we have more consultants and onboard working towards the details of everything okay

SPEAKER_09
0:27:54 (0:00:09)

I think that is it for questions for me and so I'll go back to the top of the list here with Julian for comments please

SPEAKER_07
0:28:04 (0:01:56)

thanks Brian comments for me okay just one on the architectural side of things I'm a little I'm always a little nervous about light-colored hobby panels on the north side of buildings in the winter and North Side light colors on the north side of buildings tend to go pretty green pretty quick so I would just maybe think about having a slightly darker tone of gray it looks quite light on the renderings but I'm not sure how light that actually is on the landscape side of things there's a couple of areas I'm a little concerned about The Lawns to the to the individual units are they look very small I don't think they're viable on the north side of the building at that size they also require someone to mow them which is difficult shall we say in such a tight little space um it's also not a particularly sustainable thing to do to have to use energy to mow those tiny little Lawns so I'd think about maybe having those as a show tolerant ground cover or something like that and I know you want kind of usable area I but I just think it's they're a little too small to be viable really and planting on the South Side adjacent to the garages I think your little boxes areas and your little carax areas are again just going to get beaten up and they're not really viable in terms of the width I would say minimum width's about two feet really to get shrub planting in there um I don't think you've got that much space so I would just think about either changing those up to something that's more in line with The Hardscape or deleting them entirely those are my comments thank you very much

SPEAKER_09
0:30:01 (0:00:05)

thanks Julian I'll pass it to Sarah next

SPEAKER_05
0:30:06 (0:00:04)

hi thanks for your presentation can you guys hear me

SPEAKER_08
0:30:10 (0:00:01)

they're pretty faint

SPEAKER_05
0:30:11 (0:00:22)

pretty faint okay sorry I'll try and yellow but in the amenity space the picnic table should be an accessible picnic table right now you wouldn't be able to get even that the units aren't somebody

SPEAKER_00
0:30:34 (0:00:00)

we're losing

SPEAKER_05
0:30:34 (0:00:51)

you sorry I've got a wire Loose as well as and I just make sure that there's going to be some contrast between the pavers that you're putting on the ground and the bricks that you're putting up the wall just to ensure that there's a visual distinction between the two and you know probably I'm not the best person to comment on this but maybe an option would be some artificial turf potentially in those small plots that it's going to be they don't get any light from the shade study so you're going to have some challenges in those Northern lawns and that's all my comments thanks

SPEAKER_09
0:31:25 (0:00:07)

Sarah I will pass it over to Luke and Chambers

SPEAKER_06
0:31:33 (0:02:41)

thanks Ben I guess yeah I'll just my comments would be that the parking widths I think need to be addressed like a lot of people in school much you always have this problem I hate to be the one that's talking about parking I really do but the widths need to be able to accommodate a door to open especially if we're going to get to in there because they need 1.5 spaces per a unit I think so if they're not working quite right the IT people will be able to park in the inside the unit and if they're not parking on aprons either there's not really going to be a solution it's just going to cause an issue like I totally respect that the I appreciate that the site plan is really tight but it's one of those things that I think it needs to it's there to work in practice um so that could be looking out hopefully it's something as simple as maybe making one of them more narrow or I don't know and then the sighting of the actual of the garbage room I again I appreciate that was directed by planning but an unfortunate symptom of the site planning is that you end up with a PMT a garbage room which is going to be painted concrete and a dry vial all on the front property line and I think that is a little bit too much especially considering it's gonna it's in a residential neighborhood and it's also fronting a school when you approach that site that's what you will be greeted with and it makes it really hard for the landscape designer therefore to actually bring Greenery and soften that edge up and I think it could be quite a harsh Edge it might be worth trying to reconsider how those could come together or at least bring in some Greenery and or better materiality on the garage room I don't even know whether it's more easier to bring the garbage room together with the rest of the math try and work that down and then it won't even have to be non-combustible or even if setbacks can be reduced at the front I'm not sure the overall sighting of the drive aisle sorry these are quite big comments but the drive aisle is on the south and if the whole site plan could be potentially flipped you could have sudden south facing Lawns and the landscape would benefit I'm not sure if that's something that could be explored I think the materials are actually the colors and everything they seem to be quite applicable to the neighborhood and it's a good choice it's actually really nice to see Brick finally proposed on a building in Squamish it's a really great advantage to take care of soon as there's gonna be concrete down there anyway I think that's a really great selection by the architect yeah I'll leave my comments there I think thank you

SPEAKER_00
0:34:15 (0:00:03)

thank you

SPEAKER_01
0:34:19 (0:01:13)

so it's John here and I wanted to Echo Luke's comments on the brick I like that as the cladding I had wondered could maybe it would be possible to clad the garbage enclosure with the same brick to maybe that would make it a little nicer I also wanted to Echo Luke's comments on flipping the site plan so that the patios I could see an improvement in livability of the outdoor space for the residents would be on the south side rather than on the North there and yeah that was it yeah I think that front edge there's definitely have a little bit of concern there with there's no setback with the garbage room so no it doesn't look like there's any ability to add planting to screen it so it's sort of a it's right up tight against the sidewalk so it would be nice to see some design development to address that appreciate the in the logic of why it's located up front though

SPEAKER_08
0:35:32 (0:01:33)

yeah Lucas here I think just Echo both comments around I completely understand the rationale for the location of the outdoor space versus the garbage area but it I'm struggling a little bit with kind of all of the back of house aspects located at the front of the site and a pretty yeah like harsh kind of back of edge um back of Edge at the at the front of the site so I'm wondering if there is are there landscape softening or as um the fellow panel members mentioned opportunity to Cloud the garbage enclosure just to do something to kind of Nod to the school adjacency and soften that I like the overall color palette and material selection um only I know the renderings are just that and just conceptual but comment on just the number of reveal lines on the particularly on the gray um concrete panel and wondering if there's an I know there's certain wits that you're working with based on the panel supplier but wondering if there's an opportunity to reduce that number it does to me anyway give it a bit of on more of an industrial feel or if there's yeah just an opportunity to reduce that but overall yeah overall minor comments and things again

SPEAKER_09
0:37:05 (0:02:40)

okay thanks Lucas yeah thanks to the proponent for the presentation yeah I'll Echo the comments of John and Luke I think that having some outdoor space that has some South Exposure would be a benefit and it would be a nice addition also understand the challenges with the narrow site and the geometry as well with the sloping Edge at the West End other considerations yeah Echo the comment around the garbage building and sort of the fronting of the site so I think that some sort of creative approach maybe I know that public art isn't required but even something that is a mural or some way to make it a little bit more exciting if it needs to be on that front edge could be done and as far as I comment on the materiality and I'm not an architect so take this with a grain of salt but for me the renderings and the different material types and colors and finishes is a little bit busy and I don't know if there's an opportunity to to be a little bit more selective when material types are being changed I understand the rationale behind accentuating their articulations of the building but I think that often these buildings for my eye and try to do more than they need to do so focus on the beauty about around us and less about the finishes of the building and I'll pause there if there's any other comments from anyone else on the panel right and if not then we are moving into a I guess a potential recommendation so I'll read through the four different recommendations for our consideration so a The Advisory design panel supports the project as presented and does not need to see the project return for further review be that the advisory design panel supports the project as presented and would like the applicant to work with staff to resolve the following recommendations see that the advisory design panel supports the project as presented and would like the applicant to resolve the following recommendations and return to present the revised project The Advisory design panel or D that the advisory design panel does not support the project as presented for the following reasons so yeah I'll pause for discussion if

SPEAKER_06
0:39:45 (0:00:29)

anyone has any thoughts Miss Lucia I would like on and yeah I'd like to kind of put forward C or the only reason being is that the my comment about the whole site planning it's a big change and I understand that um so that was to be looked at I think it would be worthwhile ADP reviewing that again

SPEAKER_02
0:40:15 (0:00:17)

yes engineering was not supportive of the site plan being flipped we looked at that early on and they weren't supportive of adding an additional Drive aisle to the north so that option was not deemed not viable

SPEAKER_07
0:40:33 (0:00:01)

okay I will go for B then

SPEAKER_03
0:40:35 (0:00:15)

and maybe we can work on the front end and Screen things better and provide carbon space with a different cladding move them behind the visitor parking and move things around in the same area because flipping the driveway was not an option

SPEAKER_06
0:40:50 (0:00:07)

yeah I apologize I should probably asked that question in the questions I go I'll be then

SPEAKER_09
0:40:57 (0:00:13)

okay I'd agree okay do we have someone to I guess we have a motion for the do we have a second yeah so there we go Lucas all right I

SPEAKER_01
0:41:11 (0:00:33)

guess do we need to specify what we want them to work on it with a little bit more clarity so I I'll just start around saying so we would say B we'd like design development work with stuff to improve the garbage enclosure and Landscaping screening specifically around the front of the property and look for opportunities to improve Southern Exposure for residence outdoor areas were there some other comments

SPEAKER_07
0:41:45 (0:00:27)

yeah I think livability with regard to these private spaces on the north of the property um I think they need to be Revisited somewhat the idea of lawn there I think is not viable so I'd like I'd like those to be Revisited and just those small areas on the south side of the property in terms of the planting viability there they're too small

SPEAKER_05
0:42:13 (0:00:06)

additionally Luke's comment about the size of the garage needs to be considered

SPEAKER_01
0:42:20 (0:00:01)

the like the parking Sarah

SPEAKER_05
0:42:22 (0:00:01)

yes

SPEAKER_01
0:42:24 (0:00:17)

yeah I think that's really important so I really look yeah look at the accessibility be able to get in and out of the garages okay

SPEAKER_09
0:42:41 (0:00:13)

okay so then I think we need a vote and I don't know in the hybrid environment if we do a all in favor or those opposed I don't know staff if it matters

SPEAKER_02
0:42:55 (0:00:01)

whatever you like

SPEAKER_09
0:42:56 (0:00:33)

okay let's do all in favor I can see everyone's hand so for this is for B with the comments all right unanimous perfect so I don't think we have any other business items so I will look for a motion for termination Sarah and seconded by John thanks everyone thank you