Advisory Design Panel - 18 May 2023


1: Welcome to the Squamish Nation Traditional Territory
2: ADOPTION OF AGENDA
3: COMMITTEE MINUTES
3.A: MINUTES
3.A.i: Advisory Design Panel Minutes: April 20, 2023
3.B: BUSINESS ARISING
4: DELEGATIONS AND PETITIONS
5: BUSINESS
5.i: Development Permit 596: 1165 Wilson Crescent
5.ii: Development Permit Delegated - 50608: 38917 Progress Way
6: COUNCIL
6.A: STATUS OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL
6.B: REFERRALS FROM COUNCIL
7: CORRESPONDENCE
8: ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
9: TERMINATION
Welcome, ADP Minutes, Business: Development Permit 596: 1165 Wilson Crescent
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In the council meeting, Jesse Fletcher, a planner with the District of Squamish, introduced the first project, a development permit application for two four-plexes located at 1165 Wilson Crescent. The proposed development is subject to development permit area three and the Wilson Crescent microplan. Staff are generally supportive of the site plan but request recommendations on building form and character, usable and common open space, and landscaping. The project has not been previously presented to the Advisory Design Panel.

Mark Barlow, the owner of Method Design Group, presented the design of the development, which consists of two quad-plex buildings with a total of eight three-story units. The proposal is located within the RF1 Zone, accommodating low-density multi-unit developments. The units are approximately 1150 square feet of living space with 500 square feet of garage storage on the main level. The narrow property dictated vehicle access down the right-hand side of the development, with visitor parking spaces located at the rear of the site. A separate pedestrian access is created down the west side of the property to promote interaction between residents. The landscape designer has proposed green space and planter boxes across from each unit, as well as a large landscaped community space near visitor parking.

The development aims to promote a sense of community for its residents while addressing the District of Squamish's requirements. The energy efficiency of the building is highlighted, with solar panels on the roof for on-site energy generation and no gas on the site. The project meets the GHDI performance limit of zero kilograms of CO2 per square meter per year. The color palette of the building is inspired by coastal towns and fall leaves, with bright, friendly colors. The design also considers accessibility and adaptability for future residents.

SPEAKER_10
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to get this meeting going

SPEAKER_04
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all right thank you do we have any preliminaries that we need to go through here before we bring forth a motion for adopting the previous

SPEAKER_07
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minutes yeah I'd like to make a point that last month I wasn't sure if there was actually an aibc representative present for the ADP

SPEAKER_03
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right so

SPEAKER_04
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all right so do we do we have any other issues with the previous set of minutes

SPEAKER_07
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that was my only point

SPEAKER_04
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all right do I have a second on the adoption of previous meetings minutes foreign thank you I will call for any anyone opposed great adoptions unanimous we have as everyone had a chance to review today's agenda requiring any modifications great let me know take that as a no can we can we put those up please

SPEAKER_10
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sorry Charles can you just repeat that

SPEAKER_04
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could we put up the agenda

SPEAKER_10
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yeah we'll just find out from

SPEAKER_08
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idea

SPEAKER_10
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yeah we'll just grab the agenda and read it out if that works

SPEAKER_04
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oh that's great just so we know what the next item agenda is

SPEAKER_08
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that's okay well Charles will it be okay if we just read it out for you what the first item is

SPEAKER_04
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well I've got it up on my screen right now

SPEAKER_08
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so

SPEAKER_04
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oh no sorry this is a report yeah if you just read up the next item for me please

SPEAKER_10
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okay so we just went through adoption of the agenda is that correct

SPEAKER_03
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yes

SPEAKER_10
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okay and then the next item is minutes we just went through minutes as well I believe and then first business is development permit number five nine six at 1165 Wilson Crescent

SPEAKER_04
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so I believe the that this is districts or Squamish staff presented first

SPEAKER_10
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that's correct thank you good afternoon advisory design panel my name is Jesse Fletcher I'm a planner with the District of Squamish here to introduce the first project today which is a development permit application for two four plexes located at 1165 Wilson Crescent the proposed development is located in the Wilson Crescent neighborhood so is subject to development permit area three those are the universal guidelines and also subject to the Wilson Crescent microplan both those guidelines are attached to your report package today project has not previously been presented to The Advisory design panel staff are generally supportive of the site plan but do specifically request advisory design panels recommendations on building form and character usable and common open space and Landscaping as it pertains to dpa3 specifically guidelines that are not yet being met or that are still seeking more information are highlighted in your report package today and again just some emphasis on the open space we are seeking ADP expertise and feedback on the proposed private and the proposed common open space staff and the applicant have discussed the opportunity for additional private open space either at grade or in the form of a balcony off the second story so staff are seeking ADP expertise and whether or not that would have a negative impact or a positive impact on the shared open space today we have Mark Barlow presenting the design and I believe the landscape designer will be joining us in a bit to present the landscape so I'll hand it over to

SPEAKER_05
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mark everybody see the presentation screen

SPEAKER_03
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yep

SPEAKER_05
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so yeah we'll get started there my name is Mark Barlow I'm the owner of method Design Group residential design company in habersburg to kind of work closely with Cameron on this project the development as Jesse mentioned consists of two quad Plex designs located at 1165 Wilson Crescent the proposed development

SPEAKER_10
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sorry Mark not to interrupt but we can't hear you on our end is there any way you could maybe move closer to the microphone or raise your volume

SPEAKER_05
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shirts that yeah sure is that any better there if I kind of hold the microphone up

SPEAKER_10
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that's a little bit

SPEAKER_05
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better

SPEAKER_00
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to check your inputs to make sure it's not coming out of like the laptop mic or something like that

SPEAKER_05
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should we get going through there is

SPEAKER_03
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that any better at

SPEAKER_05
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all for everybody or not sure why it would

SPEAKER_10
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oh yeah that is better

SPEAKER_05
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mark anybody software but the project itself it's a proposed development series of two four plexor quad Plex buildings um so there's a total of eight three story units about 15 000 16 000 square foot Lots a lot of fronts provides access and funds from Wilson present the proposals located within the rf1 Zone accommodating low density multi-unit developments the proposal currently maximizes the chromatic far by utilizing the low carbon building furnace because these buildings are Net Zero and client each unit move through here sorry I forgot to do this was in the microphone this is the site plan here with the two buildings I'll get back to it there are two site plans here and the one on the right hand side is sort of a adaptation based on the last discussions with Jesse and trying to kind of accommodate a bit of different space there but the units themselves are approximately 1150 square feet of living space there's 500 square feet of garage storage on the main level maximizing that storage space allows homeowners to store bikes kayaks outdoor gear so they can hopefully you know enjoy everything squamous shoppers the narrow property dictated vehicle access down the right hand side one side of the development visitor parking spaces are located far under the site shared waste room is on the front along Wilson profession to achieve the density in a garage space is required we chose to create a separate pedestrian access down the west side of the property this space hopefully creates more in our community Fields promotes interaction between residents proximity that the buildings and the property itself Association of the house on Secondary School large Open Spaces hopefully this development along with squamous and surroundings can encourage a healthy lifestyle currently the site plan prepared by The Escape designer shows Green Space and then planter boxes that are plots that sort of thing across from each units and trips the site provides two visitor Parkinson Falls as I mentioned that's what biologists each unit provides an additional tea parking spaces three classified stalls and there's an additional two userby stalls provided within the landscape to area at the front of the property so for a total there's 18 vehicle parking spaces 26 bicycle parking spaces which is beneficial with the pipeline located along the most impressive the hope there is to obviously encourage alternative transportation and try not to expect to an assignment Justin mentioned sort of outdoor Eddie space So currently we have about 360 square meters of amenity space provided some of that is located within the front building setback but majority of it is at the North End of site and across from the units unfortunately might be the 6.1 meter to maybe off with requirement there which is something that we discuss with planner the main pedestrian access there is a large Landscapes Area Community space near visitor parking each unit has a small honor and as I mentioned and we've also provided large private space foreign contrastropy surrounding at landscape but hopefully kind of bring some awareness if I would see the development in the area simple massing AIDS and eating or activity requirements maximizes The herbal space within each unit there's large windows on side let's go through there but there's large numbers on each side bringing up on its natural light into the Living Spaces additional details like shutters planting boxes cable and vents provide the more traditional touch a bit of an individualized feel to the units together with the landscape designer we're hoping that this project promotes a sense of community for its residents while feeling setting up their lifestyle while addressing all of the district as scottish's requirements hopefully addressing all of their departments and in many places we've exceeded them we've provided sustainable Medicare emissions building that not only benefits the occupants of residents but also hopefully the community as well so that's kind of the main gist obviously we really do want to highlight the Energy Efficiency of the building sort of design oriented in terms of the massing kind of people Advance as simple as possible to achieving those numbers here as I mentioned previously there is the alternative shows you want to mention something this is just the garbage enclosure so it sort of ties in with the rest of the development it's going back to the set plans so I plan on the right hand side what does it shifted the walkway into where the Green Space was and we've sort of been able to create private outdoor amenity space at the back bridge for each unit still would have kept the rooftop type for now but hopefully this kind of is more accessible for everybody rooftop spaces can be limited and access can get neglected sometimes so I think people are probably more like this space so if we can accommodate the private report there right it also obviously it's saves us square footage because of the gold up to our unit plan on the Upper Floor if we get rid of having to kind of double back and pull up the street around the stairs we could potentially make but also hopefully increase the bathroom just for adaptability in the future some flexibility for people so that if necessarily they can age in place even a three-story foreign

SPEAKER_10
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thanks Mark and Cameron I don't see Catherine on the line

SPEAKER_06
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I've not been able to hear back from her at all so apologies for that Mark might be able to say a couple words about the landscaping and if and I'll be here to answer any kind of

SPEAKER_05
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questions

SPEAKER_06
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so Mark if you're able to just quickly go through a couple of the considerations in the landscape plan that would be

SPEAKER_05
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wonderful so part of the plant state plan obviously there's the large larger community space in the back kind of a better than a Sandbox play area with the salt pillars um again kind of drawing people back there it's a nice quiet place sometimes I don't know if you don't have a coffee that sort of thing this is based on the as a planting bed Along The Pedestrian walkway that's your mark where that's right next to the building so that there's a

SPEAKER_10
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hey Mark Sir could you speak up a bit we're having a hard time hearing you

SPEAKER_05
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again sure

SPEAKER_10
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why don't you start again

SPEAKER_05
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sure they've created a Sandbox type space with log borders and a Basalt Miller stools just to hopefully families can go back there and play interact Along The Pedestrian access when it was right against the buildings planter beds for each unit across from each unit's entrance was a sort of green space with small individual plant group she's kind of noted as veggie garden so Community feel there too if you can kind of share it they'll just do that sort of thing then at the front of the entrance to the site there's the concrete pad for the bicycle rack kind of planting pattern around the garbage disclosure team just kind of down acting order or Edge on the outside of the access third don't know enough little plants to know but I'm assuming these are probably all this fly I've done that sort of thing so yeah

SPEAKER_06
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I can just jump in with a couple details just regarding the planting all the plants are made of species and drought tolerant and we're using a fair bit of Carl Forster grass in the front to help hide the pad mounted Transformer and in the rear of the site we have a few different native trees including Pacific Dogwood fine Maple and a blue spruce and these were chosen in talks with the neighbors to be the right height to help hide the buildings without shading The Yards to the to the top or to the north of the site also just like to highlight the front of the site is partially activated by a small Park pocket park that provides coverage covered seating with a hangover from the Garter Bridge enclosure and the two meter right-of-way for the sidewalk on the property as well any other questions have to answer those

SPEAKER_10
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thanks Cameron I'll pass it back over to the chair Charles you are on mute right now

SPEAKER_04
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thank you do we have a further presentation at this point from anyone

SPEAKER_10
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I know that's it from this applicant at this time great

SPEAKER_04
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I'm I believe we're simply going to open for questions from panel who's the first person on the list here would that bead Jamie would Jamie be the first panelist on the list

SPEAKER_11
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I can go first thanks Charles just a question to staff quickly around procedures so the DPA guidelines say that the Landscaping plans for new development should be prepared by a member of the BC SLA or a qualified professional is that what does that mean in practice qualified professional and disaster is that met at the mo on this project

SPEAKER_08
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hi there it's director of community planning so we use some judgment particularly on smaller applications whether a landscape architect is required and we have we have an in-house landscape architect that sometimes helps us make that decision on small projects such as this often it isn't a requirement so we yeah we review the submission um and if it looks adequate and it's not a landscape architect then that's the point where we make a decision and so in this case that was the that's the path that was taken

SPEAKER_11
0:22:26 (0:00:32)

okay yeah thanks for that and then questions to the applicant firstly about the Net Zero standard I'm just wondering how that's achieved what's the energy step code Target for the project and then I presume there's some on-site generation of electricity is there I didn't notice in the package so I might have missed it if there's BB panels or some other source of electricity generation

SPEAKER_06
0:22:58 (0:00:38)

I can answer this one so yes there are solar panels on the roof and the for the on-site energy generation there will be no gas on the site and I've got some specific wording here but it's essentially we're measuring this is net zero because it will have a ghdi performance limit of zero kilograms of CO2 for per meter per year which has been I guess this is what has also been agreed on other Net Zero sites in Spanish

SPEAKER_11
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okay and then a question about whether it was considered to do a single building I'm just noticing the sort of five foot gap between the buildings which doesn't really seem to have a functional purpose and then obviously it eats into the availability for common landscaped area on the site so just a question to the applicant around the reasoning for that

SPEAKER_06
0:24:08 (0:00:35)

yeah I can answer that Under The Architects act if a building has more than four units then a architect is required so we chose not to use an architect and have split the buildings up into two four plexes also making a more a four-plex design and that middle path the function there is to help kind of break up the building break up the site so that it's more walkable

SPEAKER_11
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another question just around was there any consideration for future adaptability of the units so designing adoptable any of them to dwelling unit requirements in the PC code even if it's a voluntary

SPEAKER_05
0:24:57 (0:00:22)

measure yeah we did look at it in terms of the units themselves the sort of adaptability or benefit would be basically

SPEAKER_10
0:25:20 (0:00:05)

hey Mark sorry could you I can speak a bit louder I'm just having a hard time hearing you sorry

SPEAKER_05
0:25:25 (0:00:40)

no that's okay yeah we did look into it unfortunately we didn't have the space to accommodate um sort of the larger adaptable spaces which hopefully if we gotta go with that Second Sight line there's flexibility there on the Upper Floor to help provide accessible washrooms and then also straighter on the stairs hopefully doesn't that need be so this could be installed to up we'll get people through the building

SPEAKER_11
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and those are all my questions at the moment thanks

SPEAKER_04
0:26:12 (0:00:06)

great thank you that's right John's John

SPEAKER_02
0:26:18 (0:00:54)

Chapman oh just start with a couple quick questions just to confirm is the idea that the sandbox and the vegetable gardens would be installed as part of the development okay the derive aisle is that the minimum is it already at sort of the narrowest dimension that works is there there's no opportunity to air the drive aisle okay and just okay that's it for my questions I think at this point and then just one quick comment before we get to the comment period it would be nice to have had those renderings included in the package that went out to ADP

SPEAKER_04
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great thank you Jillian

SPEAKER_13
0:27:18 (0:00:08)

so of the two landscape plans that you presented which one's being submitted oh

SPEAKER_05
0:27:26 (0:00:21)

current currently we haven't even had a chance to discuss the second option with planning it was just something that they requested was potentially having some ground level um profit at 90 space so yeah but currently it would have been the sort of Veggie Planters and the one on the left there okay

SPEAKER_13
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yeah is there any consideration for the fence design is it

SPEAKER_05
0:27:54 (0:00:27)

offense about the property line there is fencing if they get alternative potential solution it was yes or having a fence or gate and kind of running along each unit to sort of individualize their patio space

SPEAKER_13
0:28:22 (0:00:06)

was there any other consideration given to the sandbox and the location of the

SPEAKER_06
0:28:28 (0:00:19)

sandbox no the sandbox location was chosen so that it's shaded from the Sun predominantly and then also in a space that is clearly not kind of attached to a unit

SPEAKER_13
0:28:48 (0:00:03)

and what's under consideration for an alternative to a sandbox

SPEAKER_06
0:28:51 (0:00:28)

yes we also had a picnic accessible picnic table as an option a small playground as an option or possibly a slack line but we landed on Sandbox just for the because it kind of captures a younger age of kid playing and felt that bike racks and other things were kind of for older

SPEAKER_13
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kids well hi to your veggie boxes

SPEAKER_06
0:29:30 (0:00:04)

they would be 12 inches off the ground okay

SPEAKER_13
0:29:35 (0:00:04)

okay that's it for me thanks

SPEAKER_04
0:29:40 (0:00:07)

all right thank you that leaves Sarah

SPEAKER_12
0:29:48 (0:00:25)

I missed the were the second set of drawings would be that would potentially allow for adaptability on the I believe it would be on the third floor because it's only a powder room on the second floor where would those drawings be because it looks like the bathrooms are five by eight so I don't know how they could ever be adaptable

SPEAKER_05
0:30:14 (0:00:31)

that's the difficulty yeah we didn't provide that but if we don't have to if we aren't providing access to the rooftop patio space and putting private space on the ground level at grid then we would revise before layout to allow for that again it's something we've just started working through so it's a bit flexible I suppose at this point but it would be something we'd love to try to achieve

SPEAKER_12
0:30:45 (0:00:10)

okay yeah I guess that's all my questions at the moment thanks

SPEAKER_04
0:30:56 (0:00:04)

I believe that's all of the panel members

SPEAKER_10
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Luke from council chambers

SPEAKER_04
0:31:05 (0:00:03)

ah okay great

SPEAKER_13
0:31:09 (0:00:00)

yeah

SPEAKER_07
0:31:09 (0:00:13)

sorry I turned up in person I guess a question for staff would be the variants that they're asking for the usable open space how much of a variance is being asked sorry I left my notes

SPEAKER_10
0:31:23 (0:00:25)

I believe in these drawings they met the Byler but just camera am I correct on that one but that the expense of private open space that was visually accessible by the unit so we're trying to figure out what the balance is there in terms of visually accessible private space at the expense of common open space vice versa but that would require variance to the common open space which doesn't happen right now okay clear as mud

SPEAKER_07
0:31:49 (0:00:31)

Crystal yeah for the applicant what were the considerations for the form and character of the context and the neighboring buildings there wasn't any information included on the set for like the low the neighboring buildings basically sorry is someone on mute I don't

SPEAKER_06
0:32:21 (0:00:05)

Mark are you able to speak to this if not I can

SPEAKER_05
0:32:26 (0:00:07)

sorry it was about the neighboring

SPEAKER_07
0:32:33 (0:00:24)

I could rephrase my question if you want there wasn't any I couldn't see any information on the context plan for neighboring buildings as to where they are so I guess one would be how does the building affect the neighboring buildings and two what were the considerations given to the former character of the local area in your design

SPEAKER_05
0:32:57 (0:00:06)

Cameron did you want to speak to the neighboring properties that you first yeah

SPEAKER_06
0:33:04 (0:01:25)

I can speak to some of the neighboring properties there's currently on the current site and the properties on either side of the site there are single family homes from an earlier time in Squamish so we looked at a more traditional kind of repeating that in this in this project by it being informed by those more traditional building designs so Mark Craftsmen as opposed to Modern but in a more modern form as there's town houses to the North and the South of this project and we kind of wanted to kind of bridge the gap by doing four plexes the color palette was selected for kind of two reasons one it's a bit of a bright Maritime colors kind of referencing the ocean and the Sea and like coastal towns which Squamish actually is that nobody knows about and also the color of fall leaves as well so it's both a coastal kind of narrative as well as a changing of the seasons and it's bright friendly happy colors as opposed to some of the more Grays and blacks in some other buildings

SPEAKER_07
0:34:29 (0:00:10)

Karen yeah I didn't see on the plans or any provision given for mechanical and electrical rooms as well as

SPEAKER_05
0:34:40 (0:00:12)

there's space on the main level due to the flood control so it's just in behind The Powder Room

SPEAKER_07
0:34:53 (0:00:07)

and the material choices for the building are they all non-combustible or are you proposing any combustible

SPEAKER_05
0:35:00 (0:00:09)

materials

SPEAKER_07
0:35:10 (0:00:05)

how wide is the landscape strip on the east of the drive aisle

SPEAKER_05
0:35:15 (0:00:11)

I believe it is only it's 18 inches

SPEAKER_07
0:35:26 (0:00:09)

okay thanks and the PV panels that you mentioned earlier whereabouts on the roof will it be located given there's a patio up

SPEAKER_05
0:35:35 (0:00:15)

there the audios are kind of inset a little bit from each cable lamp so there's enough space on each end to fit the necessary panels all right

SPEAKER_07
0:35:51 (0:00:20)

okay and then sorry my last one was the outdoor area at grade you're activating it with this the sandbox and Planters like out of all those dimensions a minimum of six meters and do you foresee like being able to activate it any other

SPEAKER_03
0:36:11 (0:00:04)

way

SPEAKER_05
0:36:15 (0:00:20)

yeah the dimensions of the spaces are about five and a half meters I believe it didn't take part in the kind of paleo landscape side of things I do feel like the secondary Cyclone's a bit more successful but

SPEAKER_06
0:36:36 (0:00:27)

for add a little added context we tried to submit without having to ask for any variances so that's why our submission you know meets the amount of public usable open space but yeah with discussing we've I think we like the second option and it can provide more usable outdoor space for everyone

SPEAKER_07
0:37:03 (0:00:07)

okay thanks that's my questions for now thank you

SPEAKER_04
0:37:10 (0:00:36)

great thank you I have a couple of questions myself the first one is I want to return to this issue of the five foot gap between the two buildings it is my understanding that If This Were a single contiguous building its classification from a code point of view would actually be different

SPEAKER_05
0:37:46 (0:00:06)

that that's correct right

SPEAKER_04
0:37:53 (0:00:12)

so it's not it's not it's not really an issue around whether or not you know a registered architect is required on the project it's more of a building classification

SPEAKER_05
0:38:05 (0:00:29)

decision yeah I'm just regulated by the regulations that just came out there sort of like Cameron had mentioned if the buildings are connected and there's more than a unit it's the number of units would change classification so I suppose there would be a potential for a fire sub version so that's the reason for the separation

SPEAKER_01
0:38:35 (0:00:06)

Department

SPEAKER_04
0:38:41 (0:00:54)

now this is a question directed more to staff with regards to the policy from the municipalities point of view with respect to these kinds of code issues that the development Improvement stage is that five foot gap between the two buildings in fact you know sufficient has someone looked at the entire kind of code approach for this building because I can see a lot of potential issues here in terms of access and egress and I'm I just I'm not I'm not I'm not certain whether these things have been fully considered in this design

SPEAKER_08
0:39:36 (0:00:24)

I can speak to that no we don't generally consider building code issues until there's a building permit application so at this point we're relying on the applicants professionals to you know submit an application that will later need to meet code but we haven't delved into the analysis yet until we have an application

SPEAKER_03
0:40:00 (0:00:04)

okay

SPEAKER_05
0:40:05 (0:00:11)

the current project does meet all those requirements maximizes density requirements Etc so fire ratings

SPEAKER_03
0:40:29 (0:00:05)

SPEAKER_04
0:40:34 (0:00:34)

again maybe more directed to staff rather than proponent here in these issues with outdoor private space I mean are there in fact policies regarding you know outdoor space and whether or not it needs to be accessible for any number of units in this project is there is there a requirement here for accessibility on one of the eight units

SPEAKER_10
0:41:08 (0:00:08)

no through the chart at this point there's no there's no policy that any of the units need to be accessible though considerations for accessibility are included in our

SPEAKER_03
0:41:17 (0:00:11)

policy all right

SPEAKER_04
0:41:28 (0:00:14)

thank you that's all from my set of questions then yes Sarah

SPEAKER_12
0:41:42 (0:00:07)

I mean ocp does recommend 10 I think it is for accessible units but not specifically the type

SPEAKER_05
0:41:50 (0:00:09)

of units so

SPEAKER_04
0:41:59 (0:00:13)

all right so are we um are we then going to be having a discussion among the panelists on the project

SPEAKER_08
0:42:12 (0:00:04)

yeah I think this is where we normally go into the commenting

SPEAKER_03
0:42:17 (0:00:04)

period

SPEAKER_04
0:42:21 (0:00:05)

right so maybe in the same order that we started then Jamie

SPEAKER_11
0:42:26 (0:03:47)

okay so just acknowledge that it's a very constrained site for this type of development so there's some challenges there obviously there's policy about having parking away from the street level so it kind of or from the street Frontage so that means that your outside parking spaces are in the back unfortunately I think the project kind of suffers by having the street Frontage you know containing the garbage enclosure and the PMD on the front and on the driveway and there's not really any space for any other function so I think that's kind of unfortunate it's born out of a lot of it is to do with just the site proportions and then you know requirements at City level the setbacks being what they are and so on so that's just a comment I do think that the roof lines are not particularly well resolved so functionally we've got flat roof decks but then you've got a kind of superficial gable roof applied which is just you know a few feet kind of deep and I would kind of question in the develop Perma guidelines um you know there's notes about avoiding false historic or structural references so we've also got what looked like kind of non-functional window shutters that are just applied as a kind of a clotting detail so to me that kind of stands out as being there's a little bit of a kind of Pastiche aesthetically going on that's a kind of a personal opinion and just reading the development permit guidelines I do think given how constrained the site is and how little space there is for common outdoor area that gap between the buildings is just you know it's kind of a blank wall on either side it's just an area for additional heat loss for snow to get dropped in on sometimes in the winter and I think you know that's an extra five feet of space that could be applied to you know the common outside space in the rear of the site I think avoiding doing that simply because it triggers the requirement for an architect to work on the project is really not a great justification I just note that again we're seeing kind of tension between townhouse typology the flood protection level in Squamish and accessibility that we're just kind of seeing kind of a pattern of projects where it's not really based on the starting point of a town home the requirement for two parking spaces for a town home even when it's close to the center of town that accessibility is often the thing that's getting squeezed out here and the idea of Aging in place and then lastly I think around the cladding color I think it's vibrant yes I think it does kind of reference the idea of a kind of Seaside town it's a little bit more of a kind of Maritime Atlantic Coast kind of color palette I think rather than something you necessarily see in coastal BC so again I would kind of encourage a little bit of toning down on the clotting side particularly when you look at the kind of streetscape and surrounding buildings I mean it is a fairly small size Housing Development I'm not sure it's required that it makes such a strong statement and those yeah those are all my comments thanks

SPEAKER_04
0:46:13 (0:00:03)

thank you John

SPEAKER_02
0:46:17 (0:02:49)

thank you so I like having the drive aisle at on the one side on the back it allows a more generous entryway expression than we often see in these three-story town homes in Squamish and understand though there's this trade-off on this tight lot with you know that as the challenge for more private at grade outdoor space so just challenge acknowledging that but I appreciate the effort to you know make the entryways um the the building entrance is more legible in that way um garbage enclosure obviously like operationally it's good to have it at the front there I wonder perhaps just thinking about the colors again if the color of the garbage enclosure structure needs to contrast so much with the building it would have been nice to kind of look at the renderings a little bit more and think about it and you know consider the perspective there but just it's a bit of a hard contrast at least in the colors there I think I'll Echo some similar sentiment to Jamie that the it's a little bit busy with the roof line and the shutters the really bright colors and you know I the the bright colors are an interesting idea that yeah that kind of definitely make me think of Atlantic Canada but then I was thinking as well you know Prince Rupert on the west coast for example has a bit of a bright colored like the sort of similar Maritime effort so I don't know yeah I'm a little bit undecided on the colors but I appreciate the contrast to a lot of the sort of more contemporary palettes that we see so frequently you know that's about it for me there's definitely some interesting discussion about the having the two Banks of buildings versus one contiguous building you know I think obviously I understand that we you know the District of Squamish needs to follow their procedures by law which apparently requires bringing projects like this to the design panel a question whether on these you know these smaller projects like this one and the next one whether you know we're really adding that much value at this point but I just get that on the record

SPEAKER_04
0:49:07 (0:00:03)

great thank you Julian

SPEAKER_13
0:49:10 (0:02:45)

thank you thanks for the presentation I think it's unfortunate that there's no registered design professionals submitting this application I just want to start with that really the I would like to send a site plan that shows the ground floor layout and the exterior combined it's always useful to be able to actually see how the interior relates to the exterior on the architectural drawings there's no apparels on the drawings so it's I didn't know that North was up I assumed it was some technical things with regard to the landscape um 450 ml Topsail depth is insufficient for shrubs 18 inch width on the east side of the drive aisle is insufficient in terms of width we need two feet and the garden beds and the grass areas the grass isn't viable it will wear out and the garden beds should be universally accessible which means that they have to be 30 inches high there's no details with regards to the veggie beds and there's no details with regard to the fencing of the light to simple um I think it's unfortunate that the garbage and the PMT are at the front of the property I think that more year-round screening is going to be required it's called Forester grass needs to be cut back in order to grow again in the spring and so there will be no screening at that point or very little screen um the sandbox they tend to be quite unsanitary um especially on the north side of a building where it's not getting much sunlight I would think again about what that could be I don't think programmatically it's a good fit they often become kitty litter trays essentially stylistically I'm not sure you're adding a great deal for the context I don't really buy it to be honest I like you know I'm the person wearing The Breakfast Club t-shirt in the room right now I like I don't mind the bright colors but I really don't think it fits context really you know Norwegian fishing Village yes it's almost no I find it incredibly tweet a little bit there's me if I'm totally honest I know we're not supposed to comment on style Etc but you know I need to let you know how I feel about that yeah I you know the outdoor amount of terminal side of the building it's not a great idea I think it'll be an unused on love space ultimately and the whole notion of having the split down the middle of the building because it will trigger their requirement for an architect I don't think that's accessible yeah that's acceptable so those are my comments thank you

SPEAKER_04
0:51:56 (0:00:01)

thank all right you

SPEAKER_12
0:51:57 (0:01:41)

Sarah um yeah I mean I guess I would just like to say that if there are going to be some other considerations for public outdoor space as in Decks that would have been better to have had that sorted out before it came to us because have that's going to a significant change to what's being presented um I would Echo what's being said before is I think that five foot space could make a difference to actually have having some outdoor amenity space I noticed that there isn't in the visitor parking typically there's one accessible visitor parking space so that somebody could come that's not noted on here I don't know if that's a requirement but typically it is yeah I find the colors to be you know I like bright colors myself but these ones it's hard to tell I mean the renderings are quite different from what the colors are in the drawing package so again it would have been good to have the renderings to see that a bit more but um yeah a bit more muted would be best and then you know in terms of adaptability there he a 5.8 bathroom will never be a wheelchair accessible bathroom however I mean there could be backing in walls for grab bars in the future as well as backing in electrical for future stair lifts if that is the way that you're going and you are saying that there's be going to some adaptability then you must have those things in but that's up to planning to follow up with that so thanks

SPEAKER_04
0:53:38 (0:00:05)

great thank you Luke

SPEAKER_07
0:53:43 (0:03:01)

thanks for the presentation yeah I'll start by echoing Jamie's comments and Julian's comments a lot to Julian's and say that the if they don't enter this 5.5 for this usable open space when I think typically in the bylaws it's meant to be minimum six that to make it really properly usable outside like that it really should be a kind of made a little bit larger for that the Rooftop patios being that zero this project I think that's a really good aim and that's a platable I'll start with that positive but I'm quite certain about the PV panels on the roof how they actually would be installed and implemented in real life and then also that combined with this being be at zero and there's going to meeting a higher in the highest step um where all these mechanical units are going to go where does all of the all of all of that sort of stuff go because it all ends up typically on the roof on these sort of projects it's gonna that's also gonna take away from that little bit of public well not public space but usable outdoor space that they have and then yeah I think this the project will also benefit from a little bit of attention being paid to the frontage we it's definitely a struggle on these projects we've been that we're going from sort of a single family residential area or mixing it with Hayden city townhomes and I respect that like we're looking for more density in these areas but there also needs to be some respect given to the frontage and how that character actually feels because when all these deep Lots get built out with this kind of site plan we're just going to end up with the all of these frontages that are covered in PMT garbage access and I think it's not necessarily going to have a positive impact on the environment on the actual surrounding character of the area so I think my furniture doesn't really respond Maybe by a smaller scale or something and really I think this is more of a point for staff but yeah I appreciate a lot of these sites have these small constraints but it's very similar to what we had last month on Buckley and really it's like it there's a lot of density on the basically they're maximizing the density on these sites and that that's fine I get that the applicant will want to do that um but it's really not the site the site that doesn't fit the project it's the project that doesn't fit the site and the amount that's going on these is you know this project could really benefit from being condensed down from the you especially using that five and five foot Gap that's between the buildings and the colors will be my last point today that's it's I actually think it's great seeing some color added but I also echo my the other panel members that um they have to be carefully considered and applied in a really considerable way otherwise yeah it can come out a little bit too extroverted thank you

SPEAKER_04
0:56:44 (0:00:11)

great thank you I think my comments are essentially going to be more of a summary of everyone else's observations here

SPEAKER_03
0:56:55 (0:00:01)

I

SPEAKER_04
0:56:57 (0:02:09)

I question the base decision to fit two separate buildings on this site it's not clear for me you know the reason cited having to do with the requirement for an architect versus you know other considerations in terms of building classification but it does appear to me that this would be a more successful project if that constraint had not been you know in place in the first place so I think that that's a fundamental sort of you know design decision that I think was you know regrettable not necessary and regrettable I do believe that this project is attempting to squeeze too much density it's the wrong size and shape for this building type for this building form you know I don't believe that the municipality should support these kinds of developments this form of development on the size of lot you know in general you know I do I reiterate the you know the site constraints are what they are but having the you know the PMT in the garbage room as the front of the of the property again is a regrettable you know a fundamental kind of first order of design decision that I think was you know was should not have been pursued I think having the rooftop deck as the as the only kind of real usable private outdoor space is a reflection again of trying to squeeze too much density onto too small of a site it's not an ideal situation I think the outdoor

SPEAKER_03
0:59:06 (0:00:02)

SPEAKER_04
0:59:09 (0:00:02)

shared or

SPEAKER_03
0:59:11 (0:00:00)

SPEAKER_04
0:59:12 (0:03:36)

the outdoor shared space with the sandbox is bordering on unusable and of no real consequence itself it would probably be better without the sandbox if it was you know but it's still too small to be you know really usable again it's a symptoms of it's a symptom of the wrong you know building form for this site you know this is a design panel and you know we're all people who have been you know selected to participate in this process on behalf of the community because of our you know varied expertises in and is therefore appropriate you know for us to comment and you know provide advice with respect to you know color but that is the point though is it's advisory we need to keep in mind I think you know ultimately whose decision this should be as a matter of public policy right it's appropriate for us as panel members because it you know the representatives of the community for us to comment on that um it's but ultimately to you know especially in a small development like this right it is the client and The Architects you know decision whether you know whether we agree with that or not is highly subjective and ultimately should not be should not be our say right but more importantly it certainly should not be you know I don't think anyone wants a situation where are our buildings you know only reflect the you know the taste of people with quote unquote expertise and does not reflect the diversity of the community right now I'm not I'm not sure you know how to I'm not sure how this project did end up you know selected as being you know I guess the policy is that the project is just large enough to require going to design pin my recommendation and the motion I would propose you know normally would be that I don't think this project is ready properly you know you know fully designed or properly documented and requires a lot of work before it you know the design panel can really support it and I would like to see it returned for that reason I don't I'm not on the other hand there's question as to whether or not as Julian said more there projects like this really should go by the design panel in any case they are they are small enough that they should be outright approval and should not you know should not be subject to the interference of Municipal staff but you know since we're being asked that's the motion I would propose

SPEAKER_13
1:02:48 (0:00:02)

I would suck on that

SPEAKER_04
1:02:51 (0:00:03)

great do we have any objections among the panel

SPEAKER_11
1:02:54 (0:00:13)

Charles can I just make one comment before we move on to vote on it just a second what's yourself and John and Julian have said I think scenarios like this just to comment about the procedure

SPEAKER_03
1:03:08 (0:00:00)

for

SPEAKER_11
1:03:09 (0:00:52)

this project on future ones if the development permit guidelines say that an architect is not required for a development permit in this area and then if staff decide to interpret the requirement for Landscape Architects such that they'll accept a project without a landscape architect then I think I'd question why it needs to be reviewed by you know a panel which has been put together with architect the IBC I think it's naturally follows that the project is deemed simple enough modest enough or whatever in the eyes of the staff that there's a misalignment here of policy even if the formal policy requires us just to sit through this I think there's it's not the best use of everyone's time based on the direction we receive yes

SPEAKER_02
1:04:02 (0:00:12)

and along those lines I'd suggest that we resolve that staff work out the issues with the applicant and that it doesn't return to design panel because I don't think we should be I don't think we need to review this one again

SPEAKER_04
1:04:15 (0:01:04)

I have a problem with that you know unless our recommendations are going to be very specific it you know it then sends the project back into a kind of a I don't know how to describe the exact you know situation but I mean it leaves the proponent in the situation of not having clear direction right but then leaving what our design decisions to be negotiated with civil servants that's not an ideal situation either so I I'd say we either go with you know like the project is good enough because that's what we're looking for here is a minimum acceptable you know level of design quality right or we say no it's not met in a minimum level of sign quality bring it back to design panel so we can comment back on it again but when it comes to subjective idea you know subjective issues or design issues I don't want to leave it in the hands of Municipal staff

SPEAKER_13
1:05:20 (0:00:28)

I agree because I think the fact that it's come before panel already means that we have to see it again it shouldn't in my opinion have come before panel in the first place but it has and we've commented on it as we're required to do so and I think because of that we have to see it again to resolve these issues

SPEAKER_04
1:05:48 (0:00:15)

do we want to have or are we are we going to vote on the motion we've not completed the process of voting on the motion

SPEAKER_11
1:06:04 (0:01:05)

I'm inclined to I'm inclined for option b and that I think if staff decide that you know say landscape architecture issues can be addressed by in-house staff you know I think I'm yeah I don't I my reading of it that I don't think this should have been brought to panel I don't then think it follows that if we're not in support of it that we require we request them to come back a second time I won't move free because I don't support the project as presented but I also don't feel it's good use of panels time to have this be presented again I'm more concerned about process for future projects rather than trying to bring this project back a second time so my objection is about policy and procedure as much as anything in the in this application today

SPEAKER_04
1:07:09 (0:00:07)

all right do we have someone seconding his motion John ewern seemed inclined for b

SPEAKER_02
1:07:17 (0:00:04)

a second J I'll second Jamie's motion

SPEAKER_04
1:07:21 (0:00:05)

right do we have any objections

SPEAKER_07
1:07:27 (0:00:02)

yeah I actually object to that yeah

SPEAKER_04
1:07:30 (0:00:15)

so are we a dead tie three out of six how do we proceed with that what's going to be do we have a tie breaker or do we have more discussion

SPEAKER_10
1:07:46 (0:00:14)

we have units going to get the bylaw to confirm what the procedure is great thank you

SPEAKER_07
1:08:01 (0:00:47)

I'm happy to add a bit more into here as well and just say that given that there's variances on this project like it seems that they're not necessarily supportable and if the project was to try and make sure that those were like that variance wasn't accounted for and that they were actually meeting all of the open space requirements like it would it does appear that it might need quite a bit of work to get the project to that point and appreciating the other panel members points about it maybe not needing to come in front of us again it would not would it not be better to actually have it coming in front of us again so we can actually make sure that you know that project is benefiting from our advice considering the fact that we're not saying that we support it but then we can at least try and support it later on and when they've actually done the rework

SPEAKER_13
1:08:48 (0:00:07)

I agree completely

SPEAKER_12
1:08:55 (0:00:08)

I'm willing to jump shot sides

SPEAKER_04
1:09:04 (0:00:16)

well should we simply perceive then since the panel members are all present again we could re-vote on adopting let's say a non-support and returning to design pen yeah

SPEAKER_07
1:09:21 (0:00:00)

now it's

SPEAKER_04
1:09:21 (0:00:44)

great so do we have can we vote on positive on that one two three four that passes then thank you no now I think that brings to a close this particular item on the agenda I do want to thank the proponents and um you know we appreciate that your time and effort and we look forward to seeing the improved project when it returns Jamie

SPEAKER_11
1:10:05 (0:00:19)

yes just a question about whether um because C which is encouraged um has the following recommendations return to presenter revised project just maybe if there if there's any just to make sure it is a good understanding that staff have about what those recommendations might be if

SPEAKER_04
1:10:25 (0:00:16)

we're going to leave off at that point yes all right do we want to itemize the you know or bullet point items or are the are the are they minutes from the panelists comments sufficient

SPEAKER_10
1:10:42 (0:00:03)

From staff's perspective the minutes are sufficient

SPEAKER_04
1:10:47 (0:00:13)

the major points of content clear there yeah thank you should we proceed to the next item then

SPEAKER_10
1:11:01 (0:00:07)

we should thanks Cameron Mark yeah if you wanted to call a break we can go get the next applicant ready

SPEAKER_04
1:11:08 (0:00:16)

five minutes sufficient great thank you

Business: Development Permit Delegated - 50608: 38917 Progress Way
1:11:21 (1:05:58)

In the council meeting, Jesse Fletcher, a planner with the District of Squamish, introduced a project for a delegated development permit located at 38917 Progress Way for two industrial buildings. The project is situated in the southern part of the Sea to Sky Business Park and is zoned i-11, which limits uses with significant retail components. The proposed development is within development permit area 9, industrial employment, and is subject to the applicable development permit area guidelines. The staff sought comments and recommendations from the Advisory Design Panel regarding the form and character of the proposed development, including the site plan, architectural design, building materials, and landscape plans.

Architect Colin Kwok and Landscape designer Travis Warren presented the project. The buildings are designed to be mainly white with natural heavy timber canopies and heavy timber fins. The site plan includes parking, loading, accessibility, and sustainability features. There are 41 required parking stalls, with 46 provided, not including seven loading spaces. Six of the loading spaces are for individual units, effectively providing 52 parking spaces. The project also includes six covered visitor bicycle stalls and additional bicycle parking inside the units. The garbage room is located on the east side of building two, and the owner is currently confirming the number of bins required with potential waste disposal companies.

Landscape designer Travis Warren discussed two significant landscape elements in the project: tree islands and the selection of tree species. The tree islands are designed to capture water during rain events, and the selected tree species are chosen for their ability to withstand extreme heat and provide deep, dark shade for the heat island effect. Additionally, the trees are placed in areas where they won't be damaged by opening doors. Warren also mentioned the selection of a tree species that is bear-aware, adding to the biodiversity of the area without attracting bears. The landscape plan also includes a connection from the cul-de-sac to the south side of the property to the trails, allowing for pedestrian access through the property.

SPEAKER_10
1:11:25 (0:00:03)

yeah Charles you're ready to start up again

SPEAKER_04
1:11:28 (0:00:23)

great thank you so our next item is the development permit delegated for 30 000 917 Progress way it's a small industrial strata development I believe staff have a

SPEAKER_10
1:11:52 (0:01:15)

presentation yes thank you Charles good afternoon advisory design panel my name is Jesse Fletcher planner with the District of Squamish here to introduce a project for a delegated development permit located at 38917 Progress way for two industrial buildings the project is located in the southern part of the Sea to Sky Business Park the site is zoned i-11 and is located in the restricted portion of the business park which limits uses with significant retail components the proposed development is located within development permit area 9 industrial employment and is subject to the applicable development permit area guidelines which are attached to your report today the project has not previously been to advisory design panel staff are seeking ADP comments and recommendations regarding the form and character of the proposed development including the site plan architectural design building materials and Landscape plans I will pass the presentation now over to our architect Colin Kwok and Landscape designer Travis Warren right on thank you

SPEAKER_09
1:13:08 (0:03:14)

good afternoon and everybody we have the over the overview please just a background image while we talked this is an aerial view from Google of the site which is right in the middle as time is short I will approach this just as from the point of view of character my working theory is that buildings are like people it isn't always possible to put your finger on the constituents to define a person or building but somewhere in there there's something that makes a building and then and or a person special rarely is it exclusively the result of the size shape or the clothes in pondering the character of the industrial park and squamous we thought about all the industrial buildings intended improvements we have done in Squamish and the characters we have done them for in the eight or nine Warehouse buildings in Columbus that we have built are building plan to build or planning to build and the dozen or so tenant improvements we have done we have met some incredible characters many I now have the privilege of calling my friends there would make the Squamish Industrial Park what it is and it is their character that I aspire to when I designed buildings there's a Clarity of purpose a straightforward approach to life a fearlessness in who they are a Precision of thought with a relaxed style an order that is present but not rigid a solid undercurrent of optimism and definitely no pretension at being anything other than they are or putting on disguises to fit in telligence that is visible without being overwhelming and a quiet Equanimity in being who they are the buildings we're presenting today are mainly the color of snow with natural heavy Timber canopies and heavy Timber fins citing parking loading accessibility and sustainability have been discussed over the last six months with planning and we will go through some of the images and comment in a bit more and then I'll let Travis our landscape designer take over and of course answer your questions we have a second image this is a background context photo from the cul-de-sac looking at the property so the large trees right in the middle I'm not sure if I have my point already right here are the ones that we'll be keeping second can we keep going this is an image from the back corner of the lot I thought it was a video is that a video by any chance there you go so that shows the area behind the property looking back at it thank you and then our Feature Presentation which is a little movie that we did we could get that full screen

SPEAKER_03
1:16:22 (0:01:27)

please two three

SPEAKER_09
1:17:49 (0:00:19)

and if we can have the next image please and one more oh can you go to the main site plan no I think it might have been the last image that you

SPEAKER_03
1:18:09 (0:00:11)

have

SPEAKER_09
1:18:20 (0:00:02)

you called it up before it was a site

SPEAKER_03
1:18:23 (0:00:12)

plan

SPEAKER_09
1:18:35 (0:02:25)

there you go that one that one will do just to run through some of the key features of the site there is a secondary floodway that runs from the cul-de-sac into the green area behind the to the south of the project and there's also a secondary flood area in the trees behind the project and we've kept that part of the site lower as well both have been reviewed by the geotechnical consultant who has submitted a flat Hazard report ing on the property there are 41 stalls are required we have provided 46 dolls not including seven loading spaces six of the loading spaces are for individual units so effectively 52 parking spaces bicycles there are six covered visitor stalls the rest inside the units as most mountain bikes since kilometers cost more than my motorcycle accessibility from the street there's a five percent walkway to the front covered walkway of building one and then a designated crosswalk over to building two garbage we are taking advantage of the grade change for the secondary floodway and the garbage room is on the side of building two on the east side because it is more like a giant closet than a room with multiple doors there is no need for a lot of circulation in this garbage room so it is very efficient the owner is now currently confirming with potential waste disposal companies how many bins are required the room can be will be expanded if needed see what the minor things firefighting well not minor this is important the curved line between the buildings we are well within the level distance to a fire hydrant and loading and vehicle circulation there is one loop around building two which is one way and the loading for the large units in building two are off a loading dock at the back which is one meter higher than the surrounding grid and the Landscaping I'm going to turn over to Travis the landscape image nope it would be one of the other

SPEAKER_03
1:21:01 (0:00:14)

ones

SPEAKER_01
1:21:15 (0:03:09)

good afternoon everyone I'm going to cover two significant landscape elements in this project one of them being the tree islands and how we're going to use some simple technological solutions in order to be able to grow sizable trees in the parking lot in this image here you'll see that the species that's been chosen is because it creates a deep dark shade for the heat island effect and the fact that it's been bred with two different types of species because it's able to take extreme heat which we would expect in the summer months as you can see the tree island is skinny so there's going to be water capture issues but with the grading of the parking lot what we've done is created scuppers in the curbs and added an extra long curb in order to move the flow of the water into the island and the capture area is quite large and we expect to be able to capture a lot of water in these rain events there's a big black Square there this is the outline of the structural soil underneath the parking area we've gone beyond the accepted size in order to have more soil than needed for the size of the tree so here we have at a one meter depth 40 cubic meters of space available for soil the structural soil and Air we also place the trees in an area where you shouldn't have doors opening and being able to damage the tree so the it was a specific solution for that next slide please want to talk about two trees that we have situated in this property where we found the largest open area of the space this happens to be in the front driveway area and we look to find a species that was Bear Aware we wanted something that would add to the biodiversity of the area at the same time not attracting Bears which can be quite difficult with trees where you have Oaks with their air acorns or other plants with berries so this one's specific in that the Samaras are edible by birds and squirrels and this tree itself does attract one of the local butterflies in the area so no it felt really comfortable selecting this tree for the site thank you

SPEAKER_04
1:24:24 (0:00:15)

great thank you I believe that brings us to panel questions let's preserve the order we've established previously Jamie if you have questions

SPEAKER_11
1:24:40 (0:00:14)

it's one or two straightforward let's just a question about the parking account I saw it on screen there so just watch your vehicle park account versus the District of Squamish required remember

SPEAKER_09
1:24:55 (0:00:22)

the required to District required number of parking spots would be 41. for General Uses would in terms of some office use on the upstairs mezzanine and general warehouse and on the lower levels and we have provided 46 stalls and in total

SPEAKER_11
1:25:18 (0:00:12)

and then I'm just I can't pick out where on the landscape land your bike parking is apart from I guess any that are within it

SPEAKER_09
1:25:30 (0:00:05)

would be on the North West corner of building number two the lower building

SPEAKER_03
1:25:35 (0:00:04)

okay

SPEAKER_09
1:25:40 (0:00:04)

the and it's covered by canopy

SPEAKER_11
1:25:45 (0:00:13)

okay and then lastly just a question about materiality so I presume this is precast concrete exterior walls

SPEAKER_09
1:25:58 (0:00:05)

that's correct it will either be Precast in the form of the sandwich panel or Precast on site

SPEAKER_11
1:26:03 (0:00:14)

okay was there ever any I understand I know how common that is as a methodology but was there ever any discussion about different construction methods Mass Timber or anything like that I know it's quite rare but I thought I'd ask

SPEAKER_09
1:26:17 (0:00:45)

I actually did contact this company called nexi which you guys may be familiar with in the industrial park on the other side of the railway tracks and they make these giant sandwich panels which sound really cool but unfortunately their technology is not up to Snuff yet it's basically a steel building with giant panels on top of it so unfortunately that one they said that in terms of cost if we wanted to have a super insulated building and they they're kind of fair value but as it is for a normally insulated building it's a bit of a out of the reach here for this for this one other than that we always like to think about wood but it just can't make wood as economical as this approach to building buildings

SPEAKER_11
1:27:02 (0:00:28)

I'm sorry just one last question then the differences between building one and two is there a difference in the anticipated tenant group I see that obviously building 2 has a row of direct loading docs on the South Side whereas building one is flanked by kind of standard vehicle parking is there a difference in the anticipated use of the two buildings

SPEAKER_09
1:27:30 (0:00:31)

and it's a really good question we've designed these buildings for flexibility so it could it they probably will be different tenants but we don't know exactly who they will be and it could change over the years as well so it's one of those yeah the diversity of people in the industrial park is quite amazing from industrial designers to people fixing motorcycles to furniture stores all sorts we of other things so we will look forward to figuring out with that out as we get further into the project

SPEAKER_00
1:28:02 (0:00:01)

okay thank you

SPEAKER_09
1:28:03 (0:00:04)

thank you

SPEAKER_04
1:28:08 (0:00:04)

thank you John

SPEAKER_02
1:28:13 (0:00:21)

just one quick question on the building color I travel through the business park pretty frequently and noticed that there's certainly one pretty new building in white and it's just done and it's already starting to kind of show some weathering and staining just curious about the choice of white in this climate

SPEAKER_09
1:28:34 (0:00:18)

and John that building was also one of mine and which was recently finished it's actually not finished they still need to patch up the paint so the it isn't actually weathering and it just hasn't been patched up but I'm not sure if that answers your question or not generally

SPEAKER_02
1:28:52 (0:00:10)

the question about using weight as a in this climate for exterior color abilities

SPEAKER_09
1:29:03 (0:00:04)

sorry what was the question please

SPEAKER_02
1:29:08 (0:00:09)

well I choose white in this climate where which is such a dark and wet climate

SPEAKER_09
1:29:17 (0:00:35)

personally to offset that there's a lot of landscaping around this property and I think the white really kind of shows it off very well and it's not an off-white it's a white and it's one of those things where that there aren't really that many buildings that are actually white they're usually kind of some form of beige or brown or something like that we played with a few things and it just sort of thought that the white looked really kind of worked really well in this particular setting kind of like a giant lump of snow

SPEAKER_02
1:29:52 (0:00:00)

awesome thank

SPEAKER_04
1:29:53 (0:00:13)

you great thank