Advisory Design Panel - 16 May 2024


1: Welcome to the Squamish Nation Traditional Territory
2: ADOPTION OF AGENDA
3: COMMITTEE MINUTES
3.A: MINUTES
3.A.i: Advisory Design Panel Minutes: February 15, 2024
4: BUSINESS
4.i: ADU Design Contest Update
4.ii: Development Permit No. DP000617 – 2027 Finch Drive AP3 & AP4
4.iii: ADP Bylaw update and DPA3 Guideline review
5: ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
6: TERMINATION
1: Welcome to the Squamish Nation Traditional Territory
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SPEAKER_-1
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SPEAKER_12
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advis design panel meeting held on Thursday May the 16th firstly welcome to the Squamish Nation traditional territory the

ADOPTION OF AGENDA
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SPEAKER_12
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first item is the adoption of the agenda and staff recommendations is that May the 16th 2024 advisory design panel agenda be adopted can I have a member of the panel motion to have the agenda adopted Sarah one and Charles second thank you

Advisory Design Panel Minutes: February 15, 2024
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SPEAKER_12
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and the next item is the committee minutes The Advisory design panel minutes of February oh sorry that's not right that's business

ADU Design Contest Update
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Matt Gunn, a planner for the District of Squamish, provided an update on the accessory dwelling unit (ADU) design contest. He outlined the contest's progress, noting that over 80 entries had been registered across three categories: carriage house, elevated cottage, and front yard ADU. Gunn detailed the judging process, explaining that the Architectural Design Panel (ADP) would initially review submissions to create a shortlist of four entries per category. This approach aimed to streamline the judging process, given the high volume of entries. He also mentioned that submissions would be checked for compliance with zoning and building codes before being forwarded to the ADP for review. Gunn emphasized the importance of ADP members selecting their top picks by June 6, after which he would tally votes to determine the shortlisted entries for further discussion.

The council's discussion on the ADU design contest was notably brief, adhering to Gunn's request to keep the presentation short due to subsequent agenda items. Gunn encouraged council members to direct any questions or suggestions about the contest process to him via email, promising to address all inquiries and share responses with the entire ADP. He also invited feedback on the proposed judging process, open to considering alternative approaches if deemed more effective. The outcome of the presentation was a clear directive for ADP members to review the contest entries and select their preferred designs for the shortlist, with the understanding that detailed discussions and the final judging would occur in subsequent meetings. Gunn's presentation effectively communicated the contest's status and the next steps, while also ensuring that the council's time was respected by limiting the duration of his update.

SPEAKER_12
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next the first time business is Adu design contest update from U Matt gun as a planner at the District of Squamish I'm just going to pass the mic over to him

SPEAKER_00
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thank you so much Luke my name is Matt gun planner for the District of Squamish I've been asked to keep this fairly short because of the items that are following on the agenda so this isn't going to be an opportunity for discussion or questions I did send out everything that I'm going to be discussing via email to the ADP members so I'm just going to go over that if there are questions that people want to discuss I ask you email me afterwards and I'll follow up and share all the responses with everyone on ADP this is in relation to the accessory Adu accessory dwelling unit competition that we're running right now and we met with ADP at the outset ADP will be judging the contest entries we've had a fair bit of interest in the in the contest over 80 we've had registration for over 80 entries to be submitted we'll see what actually comes through they're in three categories carriage house with a 2 meter fcl elevated Cottage with 1 meter fcl and front yard Adu because there's quite a significant number of entries expected I've tried to come up with a bit of a system for the judging to minimize the amount of time we have to battle through the thought the thinking together and what I've come up with is a hope that we can try and get a short list created by ADP prior to the meeting where we next month when we actually judge the entries so I just wanted to run over what's going to happen between now and next month the next week the submissions are all coming in we're going to review them internally our plan Checkers are going to make sure they comply with zoning and building code requirements and then I'm going to send them on June 6 I'll send the submissions to all of ADP using a probably a sync site with the entries categorized by the three different categories and what I'd ask that ADP do at that point is to go through the entries and select four from each category that they'd recommend getting moved forward to the short list and then I'm going to go through all those and figure out which ones have the most votes to be moved to the for forward to the short list and actually only move four from each category forward for discussion that would mean we'd have 12 entries that we'd have to discuss as a group and the intention would be to get those use the two hours to discuss those as a group we could take about 10 minutes per design and talk about things that ADP could share things they like if they have things that they want to talk about with those designs and then the actual judging would occur following the meeting individually ADP members would rank the entries against five criteria that are outlined in the design brief get a score out of out of 20 for each of the categories jot it down on the paper for each of the 12 entries send them to me and then I'll average out the scores and that's how the winners will be selected so I'm trying to really minimize going through 80 as a group I think that would be laborious and too challenging not practical so the big ask from ADP is that on June 6th when you get the email with all of the submissions all 80 if they do get submitted it's going to be a bit of work but in the week following that I would ask that people go through and pick four from each category that they want to recommend for moving to short list that's my big ask for you guys now and then at the following meeting we'll discuss and then after you can rank so to keep to my five minutes I think I'm getting close to the end of what I wanted to say that's about it but I'm happy to discuss more over email the email I sent you has all of the information feel free to respond ask me any questions and if you have any concerns about the process that I'm outlined this is just my best guess at how to manage this if you don't think this is the best way to do it or you want to try and suggest some Alternatives please make a recommendation and then I can through that email chain sort out how to move forward that's it for me under five minutes and I'll let you guys move

SPEAKER_12
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on thank you very much Matt so yeah just to clarify again any questions send them to Matt and he'll be able to respond to you them after this meeting

Development Permit No. DP000617 – 2027 Finch Drive AP3 & AP4
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A presentation on Development Permit number DP 0000 617 for 2027 Finch Drive phases three and four was made to the Advisory Design Panel (ADP) by Brian Daly, a planner, and William Duncan, a design architect from Stark. The development consists of two apartment buildings, AP3 and AP4, with 63 and 62 units respectively, located at the easternmost end of Finch Drive atop a steep hillside. The presentation covered the buildings' form, character, landscaping, and how these elements adhere to the DPA 3 guidelines and CD 101 zoning. The design concept was inspired by the surrounding vernacular of Squamish, incorporating the green of trees, dark grays of the hillsides, and warm earth tones of the forest. The development aims to be responsive and respectful to the local area, with buildings designed to step with the landscape and minimize shading on neighboring properties.

During the discussion, council members and ADP panelists raised questions and provided feedback on various aspects of the project, including the tenure of the buildings, the provision of bike parking within units, and the accessibility features of the development. Concerns were specifically raised about the accessibility of ramps and amenity areas, the technical details of end-of-trip facilities, and the need for increased adaptable units and accessible parking. The panel also suggested improvements to the landscaping plan, such as incorporating resting areas along steep grades and ensuring that bike rack spacing accommodates bikes on both sides. The discussion concluded with a motion to recommend the project with specific actionable items related to accessibility and landscaping improvements, which was unanimously approved by the panel.

SPEAKER_12
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the next item of the agenda I'll move forwards would be development permit number DP 0000 617 which is 2027 Finch Drive phases three and four I'll take this opportunity to recuse myself from the project as I am employed by the architect who's the Prime consultant on this project I'll we're just getting set up here but if the proponent can keep their presentation to 10 minutes that'd be great and after that we'll move to a round of questions and comments just give me two minutes to set

SPEAKER_08
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up sorry do we not need to approve the

SPEAKER_12
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minutes I believe oh sorry we adopted the agenda didn't we didn't get the minutes my apologies thanks Sarah yeah we we'll be advisory design panel minutes dated February the 15th to be adopted thanks if I can get a vote on that

SPEAKER_08
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sorry I just had there there's one line on here that I don't understand and so I'm hoping that somebody else can maybe okay

SPEAKER_12
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yes s can you identify the line

SPEAKER_08
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yeah the final it's encourage adaptable units that they are across the units that are available I don't understand what it's supposed to say and I can't recall the conversation so I just wondered if anybody else could clarify

SPEAKER_12
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that okay my myself wasn't at the meeting was there anyone else present today at the meeting that can clarify for

SPEAKER_04
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Sarah if I recall the that the intent of that is to ensure that there are adaptable units of all of the same types that are available in the project at large that's what they mean by across there is you know that the adaptable should just all be one bedrooms

SPEAKER_12
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unit Ty okay so we should add the term unit

SPEAKER_04
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types yeah I think that would make it

SPEAKER_12
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clear would that clarify that enough for you Sarah

SPEAKER_08
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yeah I'm not sure that I entirely agree with it but

SPEAKER_12
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sure Charles how about you would that make sense to you unfortunately I wasn't at the meeting so I cannot comment on this

SPEAKER_04
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line I think for the purposes of the panel's recommendation as long as the intent of that is clarified it should be

SPEAKER_12
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sorry Charles your microphone is really quiet and I'm struggling to hear you can you try and make it louder for us yeah thank

SPEAKER_04
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you here's it brings it up is that is that better can you hear me okay

SPEAKER_12
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yeah it's much better thank you

SPEAKER_04
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okay so yeah I think no I as long the intent of that sentence is clarified that should be sufficient for the purposes of this of the minutes there

SPEAKER_08
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yeah I'm just not sure that we actually that was agreed upon that they should all be the same type of unit

SPEAKER_04
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no that's what we're saying is that they should not they should be across all types of units acoss all types of unit should be should be adaptables of all the different types that are in the project

SPEAKER_08
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gotcha

SPEAKER_04
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so

SPEAKER_08
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they should be across all types of units that are

SPEAKER_12
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available okay thank you kie would it be okay to amend the minutes too thank you can someone move for that thank you Sarah and seconded Charles thank you Charles as Vice chair for the ADP would you be able to take over the development permit for this project

SPEAKER_04
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please sure yeah Absolut absolutely thank you I believe we're beginning with a presentation by The District

SPEAKER_12
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staff that's correct yeah

SPEAKER_13
0:23:29 (0:01:00)

thank you good afternoon ADP my name is Brian Daly I'm a planner here and today we will be looking at development permit number 617 located at 2027 Finch Drive 2027 Finch Drive is at the eastern most end of Finch Drive at the top of a steep Hillside this development permit is considering two apartment buildings named ap3 and ap4 one has 63 units ap3 the other has 62 units ap4 they're both access assessed off of a strata Road off of the end of Finch Drive staff are seeking comments from ADP on the forming character of the buildings and the Landscaping as they pertain to the DPA 3 guidelines The Proposal meets the CD 101 zoning with that I will pass it over to the project architect and I'm happy to take any questions related to zoning following the presentation and I'm just going to run and try and help the landscape architect get on the call

SPEAKER_03
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I am on the call so don't worry about that much appreciate it can he everyone here and see

SPEAKER_10
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me yes we can

SPEAKER_06
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good afternoon my name is William Duncan I'm u a design architect from Stark and I'm here to present the ADP for ap3 and four of fence Drive development on the first screen you can see a 3D rendered perspective of both units coming down from the southern face of Finch Drive to the left is ap4 and to the right is ap3 go to the next slide our initial concept for this building was to take into account the surrounding vernacular of Squamish through the hillsides and the color that changes throughout the seasons as you can see we've minimized our tones down to kind of three distinctive ranges which is the green of the trees the dark Grays of the Hill sides around and then the warm Earth Tones and Timber tones of the forest around these are some precedents that we used as a way to slowly come to terms with a good design for the area you can see throughout that we're trying to create a development that steps with the landscape and is responsive and respectful to the local area as you can see it's part of a larger development which I'm assuming quite a few people already know about so the is already a few parts that are under construction phases one and phase two will be coming into construction later on the two buildings that we're talking about ap3 and 4 which are to the right hand of the page and they look down the entire development and sit hard up against a large Hill B Beyond within this image which might not be so clear but this is talking about the circulation throughout the entire site and how the whole site connects together and how we are trying to address accessibility throughout as much as possible and then through to the form and mass and how we came to the buildings that you will see so we initially started with two large forms that were masses and then we decided that we needed to break them up so they were broken by the vertical axis and accessibility of the buildings which slowly broke down this large form and then further to this design we started playing with material tones which also then slowly started returning it back to its surrounding and then once it started connecting to the site we started breaking the form vertically and horizontally so that it started playing with the hillscape around this is I'm going to start with ap3 for the more detailed images and then go on to ap4 so this is a site plan of ap3 as you can see following up the left side of the page and then circling around is a finch Drive which then you follow down Sol away which is a strata Road there is one access in and out of the parkades and we this was decided so that there would be minimal interference with the circulation of public around as you can see the parkades have two access points vertically with lifts and stairs and we've located our accessible Parks as close as possible to these circulation for ease of access we have also got two types of parking which is smaller the small car parks and then regular size the second level of Parkade or the Parkade one is the next level up which is still embedded in the ground but then does come out to the northern face as you can see where the amenity is the amenity is located close to a vertical circulation as well for once again ease of access and also it connects directly to a strata Park which is to the bottom left of the page and once again that was so that there would be an ease of connecting the entire building together on level one it is still partially embeded to the right of the page and this is where we have the beginnings of apartment blocks we have five typ typologies or unit types in this building and then obviously to the right you can see there are storage lockers and bike parks for the residents there is one storage locker per resident per unit sorry and then there is two bike parks per unit one in the unit and one in the bike parks as you bike room sorry then the next few levels are just the units as you can see along with the lobby and commercial space to the south of the building this is once again designed with Street facing Consciousness involved it has a level entry once again to make the ease of entering into the building and a lot easier and also visually appealing and then we've also started playing with units that are in connection with the ground to have openings out onto the landscape to create a more human scale we'll just slowly go through quickly go through these levels it's the same again but as you can see as we move up the building steps away and that's once again to respond to the surrounding but also to try and minimize shading of properties that are surrounding it these are some sections that are kind of indicating how it is sitting within the ground and how the ground moves or moves up the building and along with the building moving as well here's a section just coming through on the cross WS of it a quick note the building so to the left of this building is a set of duplexes and they are located 55 ft away from the building and we've tried to keep the building as far away as possible to minimize shading from them and just another view again and then this is just the elevations indicating the materiality and the breaking of the facade to create it a bit to create more interest and to remove the monotonous of a plat face and once again here it is just showing the other side and then just some nice renders kind of indicating the engagement of how the building would be used on the site with people and landscaping and just how it sits into the surrounding quite nicely and then this will be a view from the finch drive as you Circle up around that corner so now we're on to ap4 is very similar to ap3 and they speak to each other really well this site is once again on a steep again the entry to the Parkade there are two entries at this on this building and that is just due to the nature of the building there's an entry where my mouse is now which shows down and then there's another one that goes in flat and then heads up so the lower Parkade once again a collection of different types of parking with accessible parking as close as possible to the vertical circulation level one of the Parkade shows once again the same context but this one has a lot more functionality with bike storage and the garbage room Etc and then the fur and then up to the next level which is with where the entry comes in so it's a similar system to ap3 where it's a level entry with landscaping around to engage people to enter in and make it very obvious where the entry is the imunity space comes off this entry for you along with the vertical access accessible rots and the amenity space then spills out onto an outdoor area with a little bit of cover from balconies above and then as we move up the unit types are the same as ap3 ever so slightly different size but once again same again and then we have storage units that are built into the back of the Hill and then the building steps back as so does ap3 to once again respond to the site this one has a bit more of a SL a slope in the site and that so therefore there is more of the building underground which I'll show you in the sections as you can see from level three down to level one sorry don't know what happened there and then apologies for this and then once again material are the same as ap3 so they speak to each other and the materials actually are all similar colors and textures from the entire development so we're trying to create a really cohesive feel to the space and then here some more renders as you can see very similar to AP ap3 once again very responsive to the site and its surroundings and just yeah working together but yeah thank you very much I think that's all from architecture

SPEAKER_04
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great sorry we GNA get a presentation from lscape

SPEAKER_03
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or yes now Brian were you going to share the

SPEAKER_13
0:35:13 (0:00:02)

presentation yeah I can do that

SPEAKER_03
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that would be fantastic can everyone hear me okay good thanks

SPEAKER_13
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my apolog iies I did not save this properly I'll be back in two minutes okay unless you have it and can share your screen you can

SPEAKER_03
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SPEAKER_13
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drive yourself

SPEAKER_03
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I could I'll try quitting and restarting because that's what it's asking me to do to share so I apologize for the tech hold on you should be able

SPEAKER_13
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to now

SPEAKER_03
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yeah okay I think it was my computer though for e okay I'm back let's try this again okay can everyone see my screen

SPEAKER_01
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now

SPEAKER_03
0:37:53 (0:05:04)

yep okay so thanks for doing the tour of the overall site and as was mentioned it's quite a challenge for from a grading standpoint but we try to make the best of it we do have a multi-use path that is around the edge of the site and then it drops down a fair amount on solar way but we look at areas where we can come into the building level where we do so at the far low end of the site we have an area that can bring bikes in but it also connect as the accessible roof to this main amenity area here along the apron we're looking at activating it and having a nice area for the amenity to spill out into which also spills out into a bit of a picnic area with a lawn that would Overlook a play area and we're looking at utilizing some of the natural character of the site and also the surroundings to really have a natural feeling to the base of the building there's a walkway that comes through and there are ramps to reconcile the grade from one end to the other so that you really can walk from one end all the way to the other without barriers where the ground level units meet we're looking at having just little access paths to allow people that do have those ground floor units to get into the circulation areas so that happens along Road D as well where we're creating Bolder retaining walls so that these units here actually up and over and are drawn along to have a level crossing out to the mup there's a floor gray change that happens here and we're just looking at having some rock stack Ralls against the core so that it's not in front of someone's unit and then we allow people to walk out at the low end and also the high end of that transition the entry to the building has a level entry here and that relates to the m and the desire lines there's also an entry straight on which is a little bit steeper and has to work with the grades and then for the commercial space there's a direct entry that happens there so Universal aess can be gained through the other end of the patio but it's something that's just integrated into the design rather than an after thought these sections just illustrate the couple of conditions that we're dealing with along the multi-use path where we do have this sale that separates the public realm from the private realm and gives a little bit of privacy and we kind to have a natural feel to this edge here and just a quicker access pad to bring people out to the level crossing that I was shown and here's a little section showing the area where you would have the open lawn area that overlooks and is connected with the amenity area and then a little bit of a dry stream bed that would surround a play area and we're still working out exactly what equipment as ap2 already does have a play structure there as well moving up the building there are some greenes that are contemplated with just an alternating pattern of different SE of varieties and the plant material we're looking at combining this phase and ap3 as just an overall picture but it utilizes a lot of native Evergreen and seasonal interest planting to dominate the pellet with lower trees so that we're not getting in the way of hu I'll flip over to ap4 and again we do have a level access which relates to the bikes and also the general circulation toward the lobby the amen space happens off of there and then there's flow out into an exterior amenity space here at which point there's a pathway that links the site we're trying to have it feel like it's a Meandering pathway through a couple of lawn areas to give some passive amenity there with a couple picnic tables for the use of everyone as we get towards the east or the drawing East End of the site we end up just not being able Bon s the grades and so we do have some stairs that transition the story difference between but again for these units we're able to have level access out to the sidewalk the multiuse path we have a similar strategy with the sale and then when we start getting into these patios here as opposed to really cramming them and tightening them up we've had it so that we push the wall out and then just channelize the stream underneath into a culber so you still get that natural feel and then again you have a nice natural Edge to the multi-use bath and where we do want to again demonstrate that natural feel and expose the soil we'll have it feel as though it's bridg is coming up into that main entry there again we'll put green roofs in a couple limited locations and the plant pallet is very similar to what we did on the previous one so that concludes my presentation and I'm looking forward to the panel's comments

SPEAKER_04
0:42:58 (0:00:13)

right thank you very much so questions from the panel and maybe we'll start over in the district room do we have anyone panel asking questions in the district

SPEAKER_02
0:43:11 (0:00:42)

room shff you're calling on the room first I'll jump in just a couple quick questions to start off so tenure of both these buildings Mark a condo the tenure of the two these buildings both Market condo okay great sorry I always I always ask the question just because it helps me kind of con conceptualize the lens of level of design and so forth so I appreciate the clarification there and then a bit of a random one but the for the so for the two bike parking stalls providing one in the parade and one in the unit you said so what does the one look like in the unit just out of curiosity if you've

SPEAKER_06
0:43:54 (0:00:15)

got so the one on the unit there's a we didn't unfortunately show the unit plans but there's a I guess like a flex room and it will be a once again a bike store that would be up on the back wheel there's probably actually adequate room for two if not three plus

SPEAKER_02
0:44:10 (0:00:21)

skis awesome so like interior kind of the provision of interior storage as a driving Factor something you know Designs Great and then again just out of curiosity and maybe outside of the prview this but like any special treatment given to the elevator or interior corridors for people moving bikes in and out or just maybe that's further down the line and if it is don't even worry about answering

SPEAKER_06
0:44:31 (0:00:02)

yeah that's probably a bit further down the

SPEAKER_02
0:44:33 (0:00:06)

line that's it

SPEAKER_04
0:44:40 (0:00:11)

thanks great so sorry my name is

SPEAKER_05
0:44:51 (0:00:37)

John are you calling on me to ask questions yes okay yes I you know the it looks a good I see some big improvements from when we looked at these buildings previously maybe one question for clarification I thought I noticed on the plans that one building is market and condo and one is rental is that did I get that right

SPEAKER_06
0:45:28 (0:00:06)

those are for the first two apartment buildings that are already under construction

SPEAKER_05
0:45:35 (0:00:10)

I totally misread this whole thing okay never mind they look great no qu no further

SPEAKER_04
0:45:45 (0:00:09)

questions Sarah

SPEAKER_08
0:45:55 (0:00:00)

hang

SPEAKER_00
0:45:55 (0:00:00)

on let

SPEAKER_08
0:45:55 (0:00:31)

me just open up questions okay so on ap3 the grade for the let me just get to the right slide here the grade for the accessible path that goes on the west side of the building goes between 8.3% to 5% is that correct

SPEAKER_03
0:46:27 (0:00:01)

yes that is correct

SPEAKER_08
0:46:29 (0:00:06)

so you don't have any level Landings on that on that

SPEAKER_03
0:46:35 (0:00:17)

pathway I believe there was a provision of a level landing at the bottom and top I'll have to confirm that it was certainly a challenging just taking one end to the other and making it work with level endings and other things but I'll confirm that is the

SPEAKER_08
0:46:53 (0:00:04)

case can you tell me what's the width of that pathway

SPEAKER_03
0:46:57 (0:00:02)

I believe it was 5

SPEAKER_08
0:46:59 (0:00:12)

feet okay and then beneath the pergola is a picnic table is it got fixed bench benches on it or they movable benches

SPEAKER_03
0:47:12 (0:00:12)

there that was just shown for context and we still have to work with u the moning and interior design to really pick furniture for underneath that trellis it's really just a home for those

SPEAKER_08
0:47:24 (0:00:10)

things okay and are those benches or picnic tables that are sort of adjacent to the pocket park playground on the grassy area

SPEAKER_03
0:47:35 (0:00:00)

it

SPEAKER_08
0:47:36 (0:00:07)

is there benches with backs or they are benches that are open on both

SPEAKER_03
0:47:43 (0:00:08)

sides that hasn't been fixed at this point but certainly we're open to steering it in One Direction or

SPEAKER_08
0:47:51 (0:00:27)

another okay and then the end of the trip facility is for the commercial space at the south end of the building is that correct yes and then what's going to be included in that end of trip

SPEAKER_13
0:48:19 (0:00:24)

facility the that's noted in the zoning B I believe there has to be a sink a shower and is it do you have to have a toilet as well yes so all of those things but they I don't know the specifics they do live in section 4111 of the zoning B though or oh sorry 4.44 mixing it up with

SPEAKER_08
0:48:43 (0:00:14)

parking okay and then in the storage where the storage lockers are what's the wids is there a turning radius in between those lockers

SPEAKER_06
0:48:58 (0:00:04)

we'll have to confirm

SPEAKER_08
0:49:02 (0:00:04)

that that's all my questions right now

SPEAKER_04
0:49:06 (0:00:10)

thanks thank you Sarah I want to get the spelling your pronunciation right is it's Sunni or

SPEAKER_08
0:49:17 (0:00:05)

sunny sorry Charles I only did one building I missed the other

SPEAKER_04
0:49:22 (0:00:03)

building oh well do you have more questions then

SPEAKER_08
0:49:26 (0:00:25)

I do my apologize un okay yes so for ap4 what's the remaining available space between where the parked bikes are going to be and the East edge of the paving at the northeast corner of the building that goes towards the main

SPEAKER_06
0:49:52 (0:00:05)

entrance that area hasn't yet been fully developed so I have to come back to on

SPEAKER_08
0:49:57 (0:00:20)

that okay and then I just wanted to verify that there the access to where the table is under the tables are under that perola that the only accessible route would be through the amenity

SPEAKER_03
0:50:17 (0:00:02)

space at this stage that's my

SPEAKER_08
0:50:20 (0:00:12)

understanding okay but it is it is an atg grade it will be an atg grade entrance because the rendering just shows a step but I know renderings can be a little bit misleading

SPEAKER_03
0:50:32 (0:00:03)

yeah my understanding was that the two paos were at the same

SPEAKER_08
0:50:36 (0:00:01)

elevation

SPEAKER_11
0:50:38 (0:00:04)

okay yeah we shouldn't be able to provide a level threshold for that

SPEAKER_08
0:50:42 (0:00:07)

transition super okay those are all my questions thank you sorry for jumping back

SPEAKER_04
0:50:50 (0:00:06)

in right we want to be thorough so soon

SPEAKER_09
0:50:56 (0:00:20)

thank you I just have a couple of questions on is the pathway on the website of ap4

SPEAKER_03
0:51:17 (0:00:05)

accessible by pathway do you mean the sidewalk on solar

SPEAKER_09
0:51:22 (0:00:17)

way yeah the one between the town houses and the

SPEAKER_03
0:51:39 (0:00:15)

building well the one between the town houses and the building is at the upper level so to get to it there is a set of stairs but if you come off the amenity room it is flush and then the intent was to have that under a 5%

SPEAKER_09
0:51:54 (0:00:01)

slope

SPEAKER_01
0:51:55 (0:00:01)

okay

SPEAKER_09
0:51:57 (0:00:11)

no the other question is about local art like are you including any local art in the project or in the two

SPEAKER_06
0:52:09 (0:00:07)

buildings in one of the previous stages we've we're providing local art so we figured that was a part of

SPEAKER_03
0:52:17 (0:00:03)

it

SPEAKER_09
0:52:20 (0:00:07)

sorry okay thank you that's all

SPEAKER_04
0:52:28 (0:00:03)

great thank you so

SPEAKER_10
0:52:31 (0:00:15)

M hi thank you for the presentation everyone I was wondering if there was a tree management plan available and if it's something that I just missed in the package or if that was something that was

SPEAKER_13
0:52:47 (0:00:01)

circulated

SPEAKER_10
0:52:48 (0:00:00)

SPEAKER_13
0:52:48 (0:00:05)

no that would not have been circulated as part of this development permit application just the Landscaping plan

SPEAKER_10
0:52:54 (0:00:16)

and then so I saw something about a tree being retained on site perhaps at staff request in some of the documentation and I was wondering if there was any history on that to

SPEAKER_13
0:53:10 (0:00:43)

share well I can I'm not familiar with that tree but so this site went through a development permit for protection of the environment for the entire site for it was subdivided I think part of the confusion with the site plan is that the it has now been subdivided so those two part Parcels at the lower end or the west side of Finch Drive are where those two previous apartment buildings are located and then this upper site has tow houses duplexes and the two apartment buildings that are being presented to you today there is a significant amount of trees that are being retained below the tow houses to the west of this but I am not aware of any trees that were required to be retained in this portion of the site

SPEAKER_10
0:53:54 (0:00:20)

okay great thank you for the clarification there a quick question about the bike Furniture that's being proposed here so I see that in the materials package for the landscape it says that you're using these high low racks and I just wanted to double check that that's the case or if they are like single Standalone

SPEAKER_03
0:54:15 (0:00:27)

racks well the high low is a single Standalone rack it is okay yeah and it will be a low rack it was changed if high low was something that had a little Loop decidable it's just a 45 degree angle stainless Ste Loop and the high allowed you to put a bike tire on it and space closer we don't really have any intent to do that we just want to have them far enough apart so you can park two bikes and treat them like a typical

SPEAKER_10
0:54:43 (0:00:18)

stand okay great and then this is just out of curiosity really I saw something about the potential for solar power generation and wondered if there's more context around that but somebody could

SPEAKER_11
0:55:01 (0:00:10)

provide I can speak to that we're still evaluating the potential for solar on the rooftops with the client but we haven't committed to anything at this

SPEAKER_10
0:55:12 (0:00:07)

time okay thank you that's all from

SPEAKER_04
0:55:19 (0:01:10)

me great I don't I don't really have any questions or maybe just you know comment that not having the unit plans in there I think is it's not great but we typically aren't going to have a lot of discussions about the internal layout of those units with the panel but I do find I'm struggling a little bit to really understand the relationship of these buildings to their neighbors in the same development because they really those U site cross-sections really kind of beened from this package and I'm just having trouble visualizing what you know what these spaces between the town homes and the apartment building are going to feel like it's just you know it's not so much a question as the fact that I can't really ask any questions about it because I don't have the information did anyone else have questions

SPEAKER_02
0:56:29 (0:01:02)

clarifications yeah s right I actually as was listening to everybody else I have two more quick ones both I guess related to unit size and mix so first question and maybe it's for best for Brian to answer but I'm assuming that sitewide the master plan's meeting 20% three bedrooms but I noticed on the like these indivi individual buildings are not so is that 20% being met on aggregate that's correct okay perfect easy and then second question unit sizes like just looking at average unit sizes throughout the two buildings like they're skewing larger than I would typically be used to and just out of curiosity like bit hard to conceptualize without unit plans but totally fine that that's outside typically outside the purview of the panel but was that is that a market driven decision is that based on site layout or combination of

SPEAKER_06
0:57:32 (0:00:06)

both It's a combination of both plus a client driven as

SPEAKER_02
0:57:38 (0:00:04)

well that's it thanks for letting me jump in

SPEAKER_04
0:57:43 (0:00:21)

again okay great so having asked the question and got on our clarifications typically just invite the panelists now and we'll go in the same order again to comment so we'll go back

SPEAKER_02
0:58:05 (0:02:14)

to perfect right back just gonna pull up the sorry just bear with me once sec I had plans up I'm just gonna pull up the staff report and try to speak to each section site plan I don't have any additional comments like I completely understand you're fighting the grades and I think that it's done a really considered job of addressing them and it's yeah I mean for me it took yeah embarrassingly quite a while to W my head around how it was all working but once it once it clicked yeah I think like I said I think it's a it's a considered approach in and making best the best of a of a challenging situation with you know bear bearing storage in the in the hill and so forth so I thought that was great architectural design and building materials overall like very positive response for me like I think just hearing back to the previous buildings that the panel saw there's enough cohesion but also enough variation throughout and you know I think that yeah they the you know stitial ctitious panel are what they are but then with the glue Lam and the wood accents and so forth there there's a much there's enough variation to add visual interest and sort of break up the overall cementitious panel and use of the colors and so forth I thought again really well considered and well executed and yeah landscape plan again I think I understand that the grades are chall challenging but you know incorporation of the strata Park and MPP and so forth yeah I thought that the designer design team made the most of a tricky situation so overall really positive response and kind of yeah no additional comments other than that for

SPEAKER_04
1:00:19 (0:00:05)

me great U thank you I think John be work next

SPEAKER_05
1:00:25 (0:00:53)

right thanks Charles I yeah I don't have much to add I think that these buildings look good there's significant improvement over the two at the bottom of the hill I think I you know commend the team for doing you know establishing some good site planning Nice Landscaping I think quite reasonable outdoor area on with that challenging topography working with the constraints I do think that one of the buildings should be rental but that's just my opinion so I think that would have been nice if it mirrored the situation at the bottom of the hill but yeah otherwise I I'm pretty satisfied with what they've done

SPEAKER_04
1:01:18 (0:00:07)

here great thank you SAR

SPEAKER_08
1:01:26 (0:04:04)

okay let me just open up my thing here okay so for ap3 I know that it's challenging with the grade changes but that ramp at the back should have some rest areas CSA recommends that there's flat rest space every 12 meters Additionally you might even achieve that by having some little pullouts that are flat so people can just stop and rest make sure that the pathway is wide enough meaning csab b651 requirements which I think is 1,800 millimeters Additionally you might want to have a bench in a pullout section one of the latest reports that I read about seniors is that you know some with health conditions can only walk a maximum of 30 m so that should be considered the amenity space that's in the kitchenet for everybody just to make sure that the appliances have controls at the front of the unit I know that that's a small thing but nobody wants to get burned yeah all of the pathways should meet the CSA b651 so that includes on ap4 if picnic tables are offered make sure that both ends have an extension on so that there can be wheelchair access and I would further go to encourage you not to have fixed benches or if there are fixed benches that they are open at either end so it would allow people to access without having to lift their legs the benches that are in the pocket park shouldn't have backs on so you can view either way and there should also be some wheelchair accessible C space for a wheelchair to go adjacent to at least one of those benches so again look to CSA b651 for those requirements and then on ap4 I would encourage you to try and extend the parking area to allow to have a an accessible visitor parking space there for overhit vehicles because otherwise I would never be able to visit these buildings the picnic tables that are at the back of the building on the West Side I would encourage you to have some hardscaping to at least one of them and have it be accessible and make sure that the access from the amenity space is at grade and that if sliding doors are going to be utilized that the track is recessed into the floor and then to you know maybe encourage you to increase the number of adaptable units you've got seven and then you've got four accessible parking spaces so you may also need to look at increasing your accessible parking if you have enough people taking those adaptable units and then also just to make sure that the washrooms in those adaptable units are going to be usable so that the doors are not swinging into the space you know prior to the adaptation so that they at least will be visitable and I think that that's all of my comments otherwise yeah I mean I love the look at the building I mean I can't really comment on any the units because again we can't see them but yeah I think that it's some good efforts have being made so thank you for the

SPEAKER_04
1:05:31 (0:00:04)

presentation thank you sir

SPEAKER_09
1:05:36 (0:00:39)

s well yeah thank you for the presentation I find a very positive how the massing steps with landscape to re height and the materials are closely related to the surroundings I find that two bu buildings have cohesive look throughout the development and the pestan path interconnect throughout the project which is great and also with the existing Trails yeah overall a very positive response thank

SPEAKER_04
1:06:16 (0:00:02)

you okay thank you

SPEAKER_10
1:06:19 (0:01:39)

m hi thank you yeah so acknowledging that the grading approach was certainly challenging here it looks like a nice solution and just to reiterate Sarah's comment around the resting areas I think you know given that it's such a there's so much grade change here that having those rest areas would be really great to see another comment would be that I would it's possible that already considered here but to ensure that the individual bike space bike rack spacing can accommodate a bike on both sides I think they look like maybe they're spaced at 24 inches but something a little bit more generous might be more comfortable and then I would also comment that it would be a nice consideration to integrate trees that are less of like the ornamental sort of landscape scale and have maybe some varieties that have a more significant mature canopy size just to sort of speak to the architecture a little bit more in the wider context while also preserving those views so having conifers as well and larger tree species would be something that would be nice to see so that's all from me thank you

SPEAKER_04
1:07:58 (0:02:15)

great thank you I think I'm I think I'm echoing the comments of folks to the panel it's just it's a it's a nice looking building it's got nice proportion nice kind of you know texture sense of scale I do have like I said earlier difficulty getting a sense of the feel of how these spaces between the buildings are going to you know what they're going to be like both because of the because of the grade change and the difference in scale between the apartment buildings and the town homes and you know what looks in plan at least to become relatively tight spacing between these buildings and we look at the 3D rendering there's quite a generous amount of room between the road and the buildings and this all goes to you know the because of the grades and the typologies of the building it's a very unusual situation we have this is very much a kind of a Suburban context this and typically you know when you have more of a an urban center and then move away from that urban center into more and more kind of suburban condition and up the slopes as we have in lots of places on the North you're typically moving into lower and lower density housing here what we have is this you know fairly high density type development being pushed up the hill and I think that this project is actually kind of a good example of how that be can be made to work this looks like it's going to be quite a nice place an enjoyable high quality of place to live in so you know commendations to the design team on handling you know on handling this unusual situation and I think in a you know fairly detailed way Sarah you have your

SPEAKER_08
1:10:13 (0:00:10)

hand yes sir I just missed two comments but I didn't want to I didn't want to interrupt your providing comment is it okay to do that now

SPEAKER_04
1:10:24 (0:00:01)

yes please

SPEAKER_08
1:10:25 (0:00:20)

I just wanted to make sure that in ap3 that the end of trip facility has an accessible shower and also to ensure that the turning radius in the locker space is 18800 millimeters that's all my comments thank

SPEAKER_04
1:10:46 (0:01:34)

you thanks sir yeah sorry just your comment about the endot trip facility I that it automatically made me realize that one of the things I find what I wonder about this development in general is whether it wouldn't have been interesting or recommendable to have a you know a small local sort of convenience retail for the development because it's large enough you know that now people really are you know they're needing to get into their cars to go all the way down to town to grab like you know small Necessities like I need you know whatever right and U you know end trip facilities typically are business oriented they're for employees and you know change and get dressed and get you know full work because they've commuted to typically they're typically not necessary or provided in residential development because you're home at that point right yeah so does anyone else have comments that they want to add I think we can have a quick discussion then as a panel about what our recommendations going to be that anyone want to put forward

SPEAKER_13
1:12:20 (0:00:10)

motion no

SPEAKER_08
1:12:30 (0:00:02)

sorry we need a motion to make our

SPEAKER_04
1:12:33 (0:00:09)

rec yes our you we have our usual list I believe ofc

SPEAKER_08
1:12:42 (0:00:11)

options sure I'll make the motion I thought that we made the motion after we had determined what those recommendations were going to be or somebody capture them and read them back to us

SPEAKER_04
1:12:55 (0:00:11)

depending on the movement yes do we do we have that do we have a summary of the

SPEAKER_01
1:13:07 (0:00:09)

comments Charles historically ADP will make the motion and the comments will follow when ADP determines a motion I believe

SPEAKER_04
1:13:16 (0:00:44)

right if we're voting on our typical a recommendation which is a we're happy with this as is and voted through we can have a then we wouldn't require a list of comments if we go with a typical or B option which just you know work with these work on the following comments with District staff and we would need that summary and

SPEAKER_08
1:14:01 (0:00:01)

I'll make recommendation

SPEAKER_04
1:14:02 (0:00:01)

b

SPEAKER_08
1:14:04 (0:00:01)

i put a motion

SPEAKER_04
1:14:05 (0:00:24)

someone second that great Neo seconds great thank you so do we do we have a summary of our of our actionable items in the comments that we need staff to work on with the

SPEAKER_13
1:14:29 (0:00:31)

proponent could I make a suggestion because I have fairly detailed notes that for ease of going through all of the comments what I heard was the majority of the comments were related to accessibility requirements particularly related to the ramps and access to the amenity areas as well as in the store the end of trip facilities and the storage lockers but I won't get into the those very I did get the technical details down but I'll leave it at that to try and keep it succinct

SPEAKER_03
1:15:00 (0:00:06)

and also the site Furnishings I just wanted to have there was some great

SPEAKER_04
1:15:07 (0:00:48)

confidence I agree that does seem to be the you know the bulk of re actionable specific comments so are we are we happy having you know recommendation B with those items as described being our recommendation yes great so let's have a vote on it all who are in favor say I right was is anyone opposing please Voice have your sound on if you're objecting no we have no one objecting so that's the unanimous thank you

SPEAKER_03
1:15:56 (0:00:02)

okay thank you for your comments

SPEAKER_04
1:15:58 (0:00:13)

All right so thank you very much proponents and I'm going to return I'm going to return control of this meeting

SPEAKER_12
1:16:12 (0:05:29)

then thanks Charles handing the bat on over there and I think the next item in the business the third item which is the ADP bow update for DPA 3 guideline review I'm going to pass this over to Philip Gibbons plan out of District of Squamish he's just setting up here so if you can just give us a couple of minutes you can maybe take some time for recess and then we'll come back is that okay with the panel yeah so just going to do a five minute recess e

ADP Bylaw update and DPA3 Guideline review
1:21:40 (0:27:53)

Philip Gibbons, a planner, presented proposed updates to the ADP bylaw and the DPA 3 guidelines, which are part of the District's Housing Accelerator Fund commitments under the Squamish Housing Action Plan. These updates aim to address the need for new housing units as outlined in the district's housing need report and respond to new housing legislation. The proposed changes include no longer requiring ADP review for multi-unit dwellings of up to six units and allowing discretion for staff to refer applications for dwellings between 6 and 20 units to ADP if they do not adhere to guidelines. Additionally, the presentation covered streamlining development permitting by amending the OCP to remove DP requirements for triplexes and fourplexes and revising DPA guidelines to delete redundant guidelines, clarify existing ones, and add new guidelines where policy gaps were identified.

During the discussion, council members and panelists raised questions and provided feedback on the proposed changes. Concerns were voiced about the clarity and implications of the guidelines, particularly regarding housing accessibility and the distinction between different types of housing. There was a general support for streamlining the process to facilitate housing development, but some panelists expressed skepticism about the effectiveness of design guidelines in improving architectural quality, suggesting a focus on technical aspects like setbacks and volume rather than aesthetics. The discussion also touched on the need for clear definitions and standards for accessible housing and the potential impact of removing certain guidelines. Feedback from the panel will be considered in further refining the guidelines before they are presented to the council for readings and a public hearing, with targeted engagement with the development community planned in the coming weeks.

SPEAKER_12
1:21:41 (0:00:11)

yeah so we'll start off with the ADP BW update DPA 3 guideline review with Phillip

SPEAKER_07
1:21:52 (0:05:28)

gibens thank you just has loaded up co yeah good afternoon Philip gibons planner and today I'll just be giving a presentation on proposed updates to the ADP bylaw and also the DPA 3 guidelines and these form part of the district's housing accelerator fund commitments so Squamish housing action plan new this year has actions to advance District housing policy which are planned to be implemented over the next three or so years and these have been developed to address the need for new housing units outlined in the district's housing need report completed last year and the need to respond to new housing legislation announced by the province in 2023 and 24 and there are a number of actions which require updates primarily to zoning to permit additional density and the third item is the commitments made to cmhc in relation to the housing accelerator fund so the district made an application which was approved and outlined a number of initiatives it would undertake to increase housing Supply over the next three or so years and some of these items are relevant to ADP which is why we have project information so action three of the action plan is missing middle housing accelerator and this includes proposed updates to the ADP bylaw there's been to no longer require ADP review for multi-unit dwellings for up to six units and not requiring adpu for multi-unit dwellings between 6 and 20 units but there'd be discretion for staff to refer an application to ADP where they feel that they not there's nonadherence to the guidelines and action six of the is to revise and streamline development permitting and this includes two initiatives relevant to ADP and these are amending the ocp to remove DP requirements for triplexes and for plexes and streamlining the DPA guidelines so for this staff have undertaken a review of the guidelines and are proposing a number of changes which deleting redundant guidelines which no longer reflect current policy are ineffective or duplicated either in other DPA guidelines or addressed by other regulation some of the guidelines have been moved to other more appropriate locations such as zoning bylaw or the development application checklist some guidelines contain requirements for types of types and stands of information staff required for review of applications and yeah and then there items best regulated through the zoning bylaw so additionally we've tried to clarify the intent of existing guidelines and that's in the hope to reduce the number of Provisions required after application submission we've added some new guidelines where there was identified policy Gap and we've also as I mentioned we'll be amending the zoning bylaw and the development information checklist the timeline for this so we're going next week and May 21st presented to council for feedback and there'll be Target engagement with the development community in coming weeks we're going to wrap all that feedback up and July bylaw will be presented to council for readings and a public hearing and third reading and adoption in the fall so sta from requesting feedback from ADP particularly on the following items the deletion of the Energy Efficiency guidelines the color guideline and any guidelines that require further clarification or don't make sense and any identified gaps in regulation resulting from the changes or any other critical misses or red flags thank

SPEAKER_04
1:27:21 (0:00:10)

you are we looking for feedback from the panel at the moment

SPEAKER_12
1:27:32 (0:00:01)

sorry Charles say that

SPEAKER_04
1:27:33 (0:00:12)

again it said the previous slide involved feedback we saying that we were looking for feedback from the panel at the moment or at some specific later

SPEAKER_12
1:27:46 (0:00:56)

date we're looking for feedback today I think the best way to probably do it to facilitate clear comments and gu and guidance from ADP would be probably stick to our usual so maybe we could do a round of questions and then we'll follow up that with a round of comments I think maybe panel members should speak to specifically to make their comments specific to DPA 3 and nothing out of the ordinary otherwise we might get off on the beaten path of it and just checking with all the panel members everyone had a chance to review the attachment that Jesse sent to everyone in the email is there any does anyone need a minute just to have a quick look over them or are we good to jump straight into this

SPEAKER_01
1:28:42 (0:00:01)

good to go

SPEAKER_12
1:28:43 (0:00:15)

everyone's good to go okay great I'll start with you then Charles we we'll just go around and do a round of questions first

SPEAKER_04
1:28:58 (0:00:43)

okay I I'm just wondering you know asides from these housing policy incentives or directives or were there any other motivators to some of proposed changes in

SPEAKER_07
1:29:42 (0:00:48)

guidelines yeah so the main reason for starting the project is to for streamlining the guidelines through for these housing initiatives but you know when you open up the can of worms that is a project such as reviewing the DPA 3 guidelines we took the opportunity to add in some additional changes or new guidelines that we thought were missing which had been identified by staff and Council over

SPEAKER_04
1:30:30 (0:00:03)

time that was my own

SPEAKER_12
1:30:34 (0:00:05)

question thanks Charles Sarah questions from you please

SPEAKER_08
1:30:39 (0:00:18)

yeah so can you tell me how you got to the number of TW up to 20 for not requiring ADP review like it seems quite a jump from six 6 to 20 the that doesn't require any

SPEAKER_07
1:30:58 (0:00:15)

review this aligns with the delegation requirements for DPS so we aligned those numbers

SPEAKER_01
1:31:13 (0:00:17)

yeah okay thanks Sarah just to jump in there to add a bit of clarity anything between 6 and 20 that didn't align overall with the DPA 3 guidelines would be still be referred to ADP but if they are in alignment with the DPA 3 guidelines they would not immediately require ADP

SPEAKER_08
1:31:31 (0:00:04)

review but are you not changing the those DPA

SPEAKER_01
1:31:35 (0:00:06)

guidelines we are changing the guidelines yes but if they were not in alignment with them they would still need ADP

SPEAKER_08
1:31:41 (0:00:09)

review okay thanks

SPEAKER_12
1:31:51 (0:00:04)

is that everything for you Sarah

SPEAKER_08
1:31:56 (0:00:03)

yeah the rest is a is comments but we're just doing questions right now

SPEAKER_12
1:32:00 (0:00:07)

correct yeah thank you Mo I'll any questions from

SPEAKER_10
1:32:08 (0:00:04)

you no questions from me thank

SPEAKER_12
1:32:12 (0:00:02)

you okay I'll jump then to you

SPEAKER_05
1:32:15 (0:00:04)

John no questions I have a few comments but I'll save them for the next

SPEAKER_12
1:32:19 (0:00:08)

round okay and do we just have one panel member

SPEAKER_11
1:32:28 (0:00:01)

remaining

SPEAKER_12
1:32:29 (0:00:09)

apologies I the subtitles here are covering the name and I it's the first time I've met you at panel

SPEAKER_09
1:32:39 (0:00:10)

Sun yeah that's me there thank you I just I have a question but is this the questions for the guidelines

SPEAKER_12
1:32:49 (0:00:11)

review yeah the questions for the proposed changes that were attached in the email so it's the DPA 3 guidelines there are revisions to them

SPEAKER_09
1:33:01 (0:00:05)

yeah no I don't have any

SPEAKER_12
1:33:06 (0:00:28)

questions okay we'll jump straight into comments because I also don't have any questions so I'll go back to you Charles I apologize sorry I just completely missed Lucas he sat right next to me I'm just that used to seeing things online sorry Lucas I'm just I'm good thanks I'm so sorry okay he's got no questions so back to you John

SPEAKER_04
1:33:35 (0:01:17)

Charles okay great I think I've made it clear in my deliberations in the past with this you know this panel U I'm as an architect somewhat of a skeptic of the real value of design guidelines especially you know where they have to do with Aesthetics specifically I think they largely serve the purpose of actually promoting a kind of sess or blandness of you know kind of a majority rules idea of what buildings should look like I think that they're you know ultimately you know they do very little to actually improve the quality of designs so you know I would highly recommend that the guidelines remain mainly technical having to do with setbacks Heights volume and stay away Al together from issues of design Aesthetics pushing materials or colors you

SPEAKER_00
1:34:52 (0:00:00)

know because

SPEAKER_04
1:34:53 (0:00:26)

again I think they mainly serve the purpose of satisfying the need for the general public to not be offended by things and so if you want if you really if you want good architecture you want you know good design leave it in the hands of the people who are actually doing the work and providing the

SPEAKER_12
1:35:19 (0:00:07)

buildings thanks Charles Sarah any the comments from

SPEAKER_08
1:35:27 (0:03:26)

you yeah I my comments are really around like when I looked at the housing needs report and then back to the ocp is that there's not really clear definitions and they're often interchangeably being used is accessible housing versus adaptable housing versus universally designed housing versus special needs housing versus ad just adaptable housing so I think there needs to be some real Clarity there and it's not they're not interchangeable they're all different typologies right cmhc has universally designed housing but it doesn't really clearly state that the bathrooms have to be a particular size so then it defaults to adaptable housing standards which may or may not work if they're not adapted for somebody to live in them with accessible needs the housing needs report also doesn't identify like you know people with disabilities it's either senior's housing and special needs housing is almost exclusively for you know people who have addiction issues and need more Supportive Housing which again is a different typology and special needs housing could actually be accessible housing that's defined in that way and then just to add a little bit more mud to the mud soup is that in the ocp it says 10% visitable housing with accessible washrooms so what does that look like right so an accessible washroom you know is larger than an adaptable housing units washroom so again there's a lack of clarity there that I think really needs to be defined more in what's going forward and you know and not interchangeably used I think that decision makers particularly Council don't understand necessarily the difference between adaptable and accessible adaptable still needs to be adapted to meet the needs of somebody who has accessibility needs so that should be clarified better and you know to default also to the requirements of cmhc they are actually doing a terrible job of supporting accessible housing right now even though they have some defined targets they're not actually reporting on it so they just have these you know large numbers in their last report it's not they're not reporting on like well how many accessible units did you actually build it's just we've got these targets for seniors and we've got these targets for people with developmental disabilities who may or may not have Mobility disabilities so again just to use caution with cmhc because I don't think that they are their requirements are necessarily being met and what I've just discovered about BC housing is that they you know for instance they can be a lender and not then be overseeing the project to ensure that their accessible requirements are being met so again it depends on what that partnership looks like in order to meet those requirements so some definition is required and accessible housing is needed and it's not the same as Aging in place which you know of course

SPEAKER_04
1:38:54 (0:00:04)

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SPEAKER_08
1:38:58 (0:00:05)

sorry that's all my comments

SPEAKER_12
1:39:04 (0:00:06)

thanks Sarah that's moving on to

SPEAKER_10
1:39:11 (0:01:08)

Mio hi thank you yeah I suppose I am not an expert in this topic so I'll admit to that upfront but I suppose any sort of I get how do I say it like I appreciate that there's discretionary referral capabilities from what I understand from this document because I think our role is really to kind of help both staff and decision makers with sort of how to look at these developments and as long as we can remain in service to do that at a discretionary level once that's triggered I'm not too sure about the details of that that's great and if it facilitates more housing then also supportive of that but yeah I'm sorry that I don't have more robust comments around that but yeah thanks that's

SPEAKER_12
1:40:19 (0:00:07)

it thanks for your import Meo

SPEAKER_05
1:40:27 (0:01:42)

John thanks Luke so generally I think that this looks this initiative looks good I'm supportive of it I think that streamlining what types of projects are brought to ADP makes sense I had two specific comments one they're both fairly minor but I'll dis mention them so first off right off the top you the guidelines suggest that metal is a distinct Squamish element and I just think maybe there should be if that's the case there should be a low context given for how metal is a distinct Squamish element or what that means and then the other one is this idea of removing certain guidelines that are covered in the zoning bylaw and I think in a few cases it might make sense to keep them in the guidelines because of the context that's provided and I'm thinking particularly about bike racks where the guidelines currently suggest that bike racks should be located where there's good visibility access lighting and you're building entrances and I didn't take the time to look at the zoning byla but unless that context about like where bik rack should be located is included in the zoning bylaw it might be worth going through the list of guidelines that you're removing and making sure that you know that context isn't lost even if it means some duplication it might be worth keeping it in those are my only comments otherwise I commend the

SPEAKER_12
1:42:09 (0:00:07)

effort thanks John some great points there to you

SPEAKER_02
1:42:16 (0:02:48)

Lucas yeah I mean I think I'll State the